Continuation of the Pitbull discussion

[Randomosity]

Decided to continue it here.


Anyway, I'm not familiar enough with Pitbulls to know if they have the same eyesight problems


As for Chows, they're also bred specifically as war-dogs over in Asia. But thier poor eyesight makes them especially dangerous when they're nervous. Mine had to be put down because a friend came up behind him during a storm. With it's poor eyesight, it could'nt distinguish him from an intruder and snapped.....my friend had to get 16 stiches across the cheek.


But anyway, I agree...bans on specific breeds is just insane. Same with exotic animals with a few exceptions: Alligators, Crocodiles, large predatory cats, raccoons, foxes, wolves, coyotes, bears, venoumous snakes, killer bees

As for people saying that thier pitbulls would never attack someone, such as that one guy who owned the pitbulls who mauled that old lady down in Florida.....that's just naive. A pitbull is an animal, as such, it is not completely predictable. It can attack people with little or no provocation...or with sufficient provocation...just like ANY animal.

Examples of this are all over the place....one very prominent one is Siegfried and Roy.

My own current dog, a corgie-chow mix, Radar....even though he's a sweetheart...I would never say he would not attack someone, because to do so would be stupid.


But yes, I know the Pitbull aggressiveness trend started with thier introduction to the gang and drug underground. Yet another negative effect of gangs and drugs on this society.

It's almost, one could say, the opposite of what happened with Poodles...they went from hunting dogs to froo-froo dogs....heh...I like saying froo-froo...it's fun!

 

[cichlidsman]

Mine had to be put down because a friend came up behind him during a storm. With it's poor eyesight, it could'nt distinguish him from an intruder and snapped.....my friend had to get 16 stiches across the cheek.



I thought that everone had there own sent, and if your dog was used to your friend, your dog should have know your friend was a friend :?

 

[Randomosity]

for some reason, Whiskey (the chow) used sight more than scent in recognizing people.

Same with Radar, my corgie-chow mix.....he just sniffs people to see if they've been around other dogs (which he actively tries to attack other dogs....territorial thing)

 

[pitbulllady]

Many Chows suffer from a genetic condition called entropion, which causes their eyelids to turn inwards, and the lashes to rub against the eyeball. This is the result of the breeding trend for Chows with heavy, massive facial structure and prominant skin wrinkling, as well as small, triangular eyes. It's easy to see how an animal with this condition could be snappish. I've yet to see this condition in a purebred Pit Bull Terrier, though unfortunately, there are many, many mixed-breeds out there, often containing various Mastiff bloodlines, being marketed as "Pit Bulls", especially as "Giant Pit Bulls". The American Pit Bull Terrier is NOT a large, let alone GIANT, breed of dog. The standard in UKC, ADBA, and the AKC(in which they are registered as American Staffordshire Terriers), all call for medium-sized dogs, with the ideal height listed for a male at 18.5 inches at the shoulder. Get a yard stick and see just how tall that actually is. They weren't even bred to be guard dogs, since the old-school dog men were often poor, and their dogs were the only thing of value they had, so dogs could also be used as barter and exchanged for goods and services. Hence, the dogs were bred to accept even a total stranger as a master. That's why they are so easy to steal, unfortunately, and many of the dogs kept by gang members and street-corner dog-fighters are stolen former pets of unknown origin.

It's very true that ANY dog can and will bite, given the right "trigger". Even little dogs can inflict severe, even lethal, injuries on a helpless person, such as a very young child. You just seldom hear of these, because the news media doesn't like to report them. They don't sell papers or tv ad spots like a Pit Bull attack does, just like nobody wants to report on an exotic large bird biting off someone's finger, but let somebody get tagged by a boa in a pet shop and see what happens!

I disagree with the notion of just outright bans on animals, period. Develope some fair sort of permit system, fine, but there are people who are still capable of keeping animals like wolves, big cats, venomous snakes, etc., and will not have any problems, while others can't control a Labrador Retriever. I've kept wolves and wolf-dogs, big cats, smaller wild cats, foxes, skunks, and venomous snakes, and never had a problem or an incident, while at the time I had the wolves and cats, a friend of mine, a longtime horse breeder and trainer, was nearly killed by an Arabian stallion. This is by no means an isolated incident, either, insofar as injuries or deaths to humans caused by horses, yet I have not seen ONE proposal ANYWHERE to ban horses, and horse-related injuries don't make the newspapers. The potential for injury exists from ALL animals, or the potential for disease. It's just one of the trade-offs we get from keeping them.

pitbulllady

 

[Randomosity]

Well, special licensing should be mandatory for large predatory animals and animals that are know to be deadly to humans.

That way only the people with the proper training and experience keep them...and not idiots like the guy in New York who kept a damn tiger in his apartment

 

[CreepyExotics]

i just hate it !!!!!

ive been breeding pits for almost 10 years and i still to this day have had no problems.....none A!!! if you raise them correct they are no problems. they are very loving very devoted dogs. they will listen to their owners if trained right. but most owners train them wrong...(fighting them ) and thats where you have your problems.. the dogs are so devoted they will fight to the death for the owners. worst thing is for owners like me they are making it hard to keep them cause of the bad people with them my are bred for colors and family dogs and are great with my daughter and my cats and all eat together and not aggressive at all.... i think its best to feed them together then they have no food aggression.. i hope people read this and its helps alittle but i hate when people think pits ohhh nooo !!!! it drives me crazy.. i had a mother let her kids play with my dogs in a pet store for 25 mins then she said your dogs great with my kids what kind is it . i said pit bull she grabbed her kids offf so fast and said time to go kids ... and told me next time kids walk up to your dogs you should warn them first ...... im like of what????? .................... kinda sad but o well .............johnny

 

[kephy]

Wow, that's really lame. I would have been so upset.

I adopted a pit/shepard mix from the SPCA at 8 weeks old. Even though she comes from two supposedly "aggresive" breeds, she is really just the sweetest, funniest, most loving dog ever. She loves to meet new people and flip over onto her back to get belly rubs from them. She's even great with my friend's 7 and 3 year old children. We wouldn't leave them unsupervised with her, that's just common sense. She can get really excited and even if she didn't mean to hurt them she could accidentally just by sheer strength. But really, she's never been anything but an angel with them or anyone.

Here's a few pics.

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Yeah, real killing machine isn't she?

I'm against breed specific bans, obviously. Any breed can be raised to be aggressive, just as any breed can be raised to be a sweetheart.

 

[Immortal_sin]

you can see a pic of our ferocious killer pit bull mix in THIS THREAD