Cohabiting Veileds

[hairmetalspider]

I've been looking into to getting one, or two (Depending on how this research goes) juvy veiled chameleons.

What I'd like to know is:

Is it possible to house two adult veileds together when they reach adult hood?
The clutch is housed together as of now, but obviously, some creatures cannot always stay this way.

Experiences? Thoughts? I'm off to check out the chameleon forums but any advice from fellow Arachno keepers would be appreciated.

 

[ballpython2]

I've been looking into to getting one, or two (Depending on how this research goes) juvy veiled chameleons.

What I'd like to know is:

Is it possible to house two adult veileds together when they reach adult hood?
The clutch is housed together as of now, but obviously, some creatures cannot always stay this way.

Experiences? Thoughts? I'm off to check out the chameleon forums but any advice from fellow Arachno keepers would be appreciated.

I dont know anything about Chamelons at all but if they are territorial like some lizards are i dont think its worth its the risk.

And if you are housin them together because you might not be able to afford a seperate enclosure for both maybe buying two isnt such a good idea at this point.

I'm just saying, not trying to sound mean at all. But i dont want you to buy two then end up with one a few weeks/months/yrs down the road.

 

[kitty_b]

Veiled chameleons are territorial and aggressive to other chameleons, and should be housed individually. I think they'll go as far as to attack their own reflection.

 

[Mushroom Spore]

I think they'll go as far as to attack their own reflection.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure this is half the reason you can't house chams in a glass enclosure (the other half being ventilation).

 

[hairmetalspider]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure this is half the reason you can't house chams in a glass enclosure (the other half being ventilation).

The reflection issue can be taken care of. It's as simple as buying backgrounds and applying.

I've also experimented with ventilation. One would think an exo terra built with 3 ventilation sides would be ok. what do you think Spore?

 

[hairmetalspider]

I dont know anything about Chamelons at all but if they are territorial like some lizards are i dont think its worth its the risk.

And if you are housin them together because you might not be able to afford a seperate enclosure for both maybe buying two isnt such a good idea at this point.

I'm just saying, not trying to sound mean at all. But i dont want you to buy two then end up with one a few weeks/months/yrs down the road.

A)You don't have to apologize for 'sounding mean' as simply saying that sounds more condescending than if you had not ;-)

B)I, of all people, would never buy something I don't have the money for, nor did I ever imply that I did. What I said was that the chameleons are currently being housed together...all twelve or so of them....at the location in which they would be purchased. (You should also know this by my thousand or so other posts crucifying others for this. I'm not for hypocrisy.)

C) I think this is a controversial issue of sorts. I've checked out the Chameleon forums and it seems as though it's the same sort of issue we have here on the boards with tarantula 'communities'. It seems to be a case by case scenario.

I think one little guy will be enough for moi.

 

[kitty_b]

I would love to get a veiled cham male someday. They're so beautiful.

From what I've heard, a full mesh cage is best with daily mistings. Also, remember they want to be as high as possible. I once read that they need to be *at least* at eye level, and preferably higher. Obviously there can be a lower portion to the cage, but the higher off the ground, the better.

Oh, and enjoy!

 

[hardlucktattoo]

yea there is a lot to consider with them I wanted one for the longest time but I honestly dont have the time and attention to give it as it is I am spread so thin And I feel bad I dont give most of my animals enough attention but I spend as much time with them as I can plus there is never a shortage of people around here to play with them

 

[hairmetalspider]

I would love to get a veiled cham male someday. They're so beautiful.

From what I've heard, a full mesh cage is best with daily mistings. Also, remember they want to be as high as possible. I once read that they need to be *at least* at eye level, and preferably higher. Obviously there can be a lower portion to the cage, but the higher off the ground, the better.

Oh, and enjoy!

Oh, I know. I have some other species of Chameleons ;-)

I was specifically asking about Veiled and communal housing.

 

[hairmetalspider]

yea there is a lot to consider with them I wanted one for the longest time but I honestly dont have the time and attention to give it as it is I am spread so thin And I feel bad I dont give most of my animals enough attention but I spend as much time with them as I can plus there is never a shortage of people around here to play with them

For the love of god, I just wanted to see if that species could be communal.

How is Steve?

 

[hardlucktattoo]

All is well I havent had him outside in the past week cause we are getting hit by all these hurricanes

 

[spartybassoon]

They don't make an exo-terra large enough for a veiled. These get pretty big, and nice and mean

 

[cheetah13mo]

Veileds can be communal if the enclosure is big enough. A couple of feet wide by a few feet high. More highth than width with a couple of areas to rest and drink from. I don't know how much you can trust out of a book but I'll locate it tomorrow and give the info it has. It's a chameleon husbandry book.

 

[spartybassoon]

That may work if they are 6" or smaller, but once they start putting on more size, you will need a space the size of a room or a greenhouse to safely keep two together. One single veiled needs a cage about 2'x2'x4' once they reach adulthood, and that's the minimum!

 

[UrbanJungles]

No Veiled communal. juvies can deal with each other but adults are territorial (like most Chams) and will stress even if just within eyesight (or earshot) of one another. (Many Chams emit ultrasonic sounds but that's a whole other thread)

Forget about ExoTerras, nothing with glass as you want as much ventilation as possible...this is a desert/scrub species in the wild so they do better with lack of humidity than other chams.

 

[Brad Ramsey]

Veileds can be communal if the enclosure is big enough. A couple of feet wide by a few feet high. More highth than width with a couple of areas to rest and drink from. I don't know how much you can trust out of a book but I'll locate it tomorrow and give the info it has. It's a chameleon husbandry book.

Completely disagree.
One animal per enclosure.

http://raisingkittytheveiledchameleon.blogspot.com/

-Brad

 

[cheetah13mo]

I've kept my male and female in the same enclosure for almost a year now and theres been no aggression. I'm going to seperate them soon but that's because the houseing is getting to be too small for both of them. They are both at the 5 inch mark in body length. Maybe I just got a couple of wierdos. (shrugs)

 

[Bedlam]

I was just visiting a friend who has been breeding Bearded Dragons and Veiled Chameleons for a long time now. He makes many of his enclosures himself which are about 5 feet high. I saw one with 14 juvies all together, thought about this thread and asked him about it. He told me that they're fine together, as long as they're together from birth, for a pretty long time. Once they're adults the males have to be separated but they're fine together for quite some time and females can be fine together as long as they've got the room.

I trust this guys word over any caresheet, blog or website you can find online.

Wish I had a digital camera to take some pictures of his enclosures. You can check out his website at www.earthechoes.ca.

 

[Brad Ramsey]

I was just visiting a friend who has been breeding Bearded Dragons and Veiled Chameleons for a long time now. He makes many of his enclosures himself which are about 5 feet high. I saw one with 14 juvies all together, thought about this thread and asked him about it. He told me that they're fine together, as long as they're together from birth, for a pretty long time. Once they're adults the males have to be separated but they're fine together for quite some time and females can be fine together as long as they've got the room.

I trust this guys word over any caresheet, blog or website you can find online.

Wish I had a digital camera to take some pictures of his enclosures. You can check out his website at www.earthechoes.ca.

Some of the "info" I found interesting on his website:

-Veiled chameleons can be tamed with frequent and respectful handling
-Veiled chameleons are from less humid environments than other chameleons
-Veiled chameleons are from Ethiopia

hmmmmm.

I would expect a pet shop to keep multiple animals together.

My site is pretty respected among serious chameleon keepers, but if you want more combined experience/ research ... try here:

http://www.chameleonnews.com/

-Brad