CITES Appendix II scorpions

[OneSickPuppy]

Pandinus dictator
Pandinus gambiensis
Pandinus imperator

Taken directly from the website : http://www.cites.org/eng/app/index.shtml

"Appendix II lists species that are not necessarily now threatened with extinction but that may become so unless trade is closely controlled. It also includes so-called "look-alike species", i.e. species of which the specimens in trade look like those of species listed for conservation reasons (see Article II, paragraph 2 of the Convention). International trade in specimens of Appendix-II species may be authorized by the granting an export permit or re-export certificate; no import permit is necessary. Permits or certificates should only be granted if the relevant authorities are satisfied that certain conditions are met, above all that trade will not be detrimental to the survival of the species in the wild. (See Article IV of the Convention)"

 

[Wisdom16]

I was actually wondering what scorps were on the Cites lists.

 

[OneSickPuppy]

the 1st and 3rd appendices listed no scorpions.

 

[Wisdom16]

Yah, I just found that out. I feel stupid now.

 

[OneSickPuppy]

why do you feel stupid? did you try to eat a suppository?

 

[Wisdom16]

Naw, it's probably because I'm tired as hell and I'm trying to research about scorps and herps as much as i can.

 

[Nazgul]

LOURENCO W.R. & J.L. CLOUDSLEY-THOMPSON (1996): Recognition and Distribution of the Scorpions of the Genus Pandinus, Thorell, 1876 Accorded Protection by the Washington Convention – Biogeographica 72(3): 133-143

Regards
Alex

 

[G. Carnell]

so,
are they protected due to habitat loss?
or due to over collection?

(where are the P.dictator and P.gambiensis then!)

 

[hamfoto]

I'm guessing it has more to do with habitat loss...the Upper Guinean Rainforest where they live is the rapidly dissappearing old-growth rainforest of West Africa. And I would think that as well since they seem to be non-existent in the trade right now...the other interesting thing is that it says it protects species that are look-a-like species of other threatened species...and P. dictator looks a lot like P. emperator, well that's what I think, but I haven't looked at them side by side.

 

[Androctonus_bic]

Anybody have dictator or gambiensis pictures?

 

[Kugellager]

...the other interesting thing is that it says it protects species that are look-a-like species of other threatened species...and P. dictator looks a lot like P. emperator, well that's what I think, but I haven't looked at them side by side.

Heterometrus species also look alot like Pandinus...hell just about any large black scorpion would look the same to someone who lacked experience with them.

John
];')

 

[OneSickPuppy]

so,
are they protected due to habitat loss?
or due to over collection?

(where are the P.dictator and P.gambiensis then!)

CITES (from my view) seems to be more worried about bad collecting practices most of all.

 

[hamfoto]

This site has some pics...
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/eycb/scorpions/Gafrique.htm
but the P. dictator that I saw had the skin tone of these Pandinus cavimanus on the website above. And it is confirmed that what I saw were P. dictator.
There's also a pic here:
http://www.ub.ntnu.no/scorpion-files/p_dictator(f).jpg
Rick West took this one of a female in Cameroon.