Can you ID these snakes?

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I picked up a bunch of snakes at a show last week and need ID on two of them.

This one is a hognose, but what kind? Western or what?











Also I think I know what this one is but I just need a confirmation. I believe it is a yellow texas rat??









Any ID is appreciated! Thanks,
-Jake Huff
 
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The first snake is a western hognose, Heterodon nasicus. Nice pick up! The second one is certainly a rat snake, but I can't speak with 100% confidence to the species. Elaphe obsoleta lindheimeri certainly looks like a good possibility.

Random question for others...is the correct genus in this case Elaphe or Pantherophis? Pantherophis seems to have taken hold out East, but most online sources still use Elaphe for the Texas rat snake. What's the story?
 
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The first snake is a typical Western Hoggie, while the second snake is juvenile Yellow Rat that still has its blotched pattern. Yellow Rats start out as blotched youngsters, and as they grow, the blotches fade and the stripes become more noticeable. The yellow coloration varies in intensity depending on locale. Coastal SC and GA Yellow Rats, as well as those from northern FL, are more greenish, while the ones from south FL are much brighter yellow, especially on the head, which will be patternless as adults. In a TX Rat, there is a noticeable and distinct head and facial pattern throughout the snake's life, unless it's an leucistic.

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pitbulllady said:
The first snake is a typical Western Hoggie, while the second snake is juvenile Yellow Rat that still has its blotched pattern. Yellow Rats start out as blotched youngsters, and as they grow, the blotches fade and the stripes become more noticeable. The yellow coloration varies in intensity depending on locale. Coastal SC and GA Yellow Rats, as well as those from northern FL, are more greenish, while the ones from south FL are much brighter yellow, especially on the head, which will be patternless as adults. In a TX Rat, there is a noticeable and distinct head and facial pattern throughout the snake's life, unless it's an leucistic.

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Pittbulllady,
So the snake that I have pictured will eventually grow to look like this?

http://images.search.yahoo.com/imag...b=11qagc7nn&sigi=11fsdhmcb&.crumb=12s/EWjgIon
 
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