Breeding Rats

P. Novak

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Ok, I'm sure this topic has been discussed numerous times, but I'm not looking for a whole report on it, just information on how to keep the smell down? I'm gonna start off with just 2 female rats, and 1 male rat which will be kept seperate and only for breeding purposes. Any advice will be appreciated.

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Paul
 

Mina

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There is no easy answer. The best one is clean frequently. Don't keep anything like cardboard tubes or those wicker balls in with them that will absorb odor. Try the natural litter, I heard that is supposed to help somewhat.
 

ChondroGirl

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Clean frequently and make sure the cage isn't too small. I used Aspen with mine and they did fine. I had a pair in a 55 gallon aquarium, cleaned every week, and really didn't have any trouble with smell.
 

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1 male rat which will be kept seperate and only for breeding purposes.
This may border on off-topic for what you want, but there's been several large threads on this forum about how rats really shouldn't ever be housed by themselves - unless you have an individual that just won't tolerate rat company. Even if you're "only" breeding feeders or something, it's still more humane to the rat if you can get one that's already bonded to a buddy (to cut down the risk of fighting if you just throw two strange males together). They are very intelligent animals and do get lonely. :(
 

P. Novak

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This may border on off-topic for what you want, but there's been several large threads on this forum about how rats really shouldn't ever be housed by themselves - unless you have an individual that just won't tolerate rat company. Even if you're "only" breeding feeders or something, it's still more humane to the rat if you can get one that's already bonded to a buddy (to cut down the risk of fighting if you just throw two strange males together). They are very intelligent animals and do get lonely. :(
So should I just get 2 pairs of rats per cage? What happens when the babies are born and what not? I don't know how rats act compared to hamsters, but I had a pair of hamsters, and the male would frequently eat some of the babies.

Also, yes, these are going to be feeders.
 

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So should I just get 2 pairs of rats per cage?
One pair of rats should be fine, though if you have some REALLY big cages and you make sure everybody gets along you could probably have a large social group of males in one and females in the other. But at minimum probably two rats per cage.

What happens when the babies are born and what not? I don't know how rats act compared to hamsters, but I had a pair of hamsters, and the male would frequently eat some of the babies.
I wouldn't leave the males in, no, just to be safe. Though I haven't done any rat breeding myself, so I could be wrong.

Also, yes, these are going to be feeders.
I'm not about to judge feeder rats (I have a python myself, though I mail-order his food in bulk), but I do think that raising one's own feeder rats is going to be problematic. It's going to take a lot of money and time to care for all these, and the odds of having a rat in the right size every single week/two weeks will be low unless you're breeding so many that you'd spending a small fortune on it. :eek:

Especially since rats take up a lot of space and not all of them will accept cagemates, so that's a lot of cages too.

I hope you can get it to work though! Best of luck. :)
 

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So should I just get 2 pairs of rats per cage? What happens when the babies are born and what not? I don't know how rats act compared to hamsters, but I had a pair of hamsters, and the male would frequently eat some of the babies.

Also, yes, these are going to be feeders.
I used to breed/raise rats when I was younger, they are very social animals, and 2 per cage is best. They do need some pretty big cages to be happy, and while it is possible to keep the male and females together (the males help raise the litter) it is a risk because the females go into heat shortly after birth and you could overbreed your female (which stresses them, makes them sick, and can be a cause of cannibalism). If you only want one male for breeding, what about getting another neutered male for company? The smell of the females can cause dominance fighting and result in nasty injuries or death of two intact males. Rats typically don't cannibalize though unless in too-small spaces, stress, or not enough to eat to name a few. :D

I do agree with Mushroom Spore[/i] that to breed for feeders will be a tough task because you'll end up with one small time period where the rats are the right size to feed to your animals and then a bunch of too-big rats or too-small rats all the rest. Unless you plan on killing/freezing the litters when at the right size to keep in your freezer? Even then, pulling babies is stressful for the parents and could cause cannibalism or stress-related illness.
Good luck! And I suggest an air purifier or filter system.. not ionic, but I use a small non-scented plug-in filter system for my sugar gliders and you'd never know they were there.
 

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Rats breed just fine in harems, I have always raised 1 male to 2 or even 5 females at one time. Do not remove the male as he will need to breed the females as soon as they cycle which is before the litter is fully weaned. If you remove the male after breeding he can become very aggessive to the females and they usaully fight for a short time it's not always a problem. Cannibbalism is most often caused by low levels of protein and fat in their diet and of coarse if they run out of water they will kill each other!!! Use a good rodent specific diet if possible, it does make a difference. Males will absolutley fight if housed together with females, multiple males with no female in the same enclosure usually pose no problem. Freeze excess at the appropriate size for feeding and most rats will be productive on a feeder schedule for about one year. I retire them at one year and use the adults as feeders to the larger reptiles in my collection. You can keep smell down by cleaning more frequently, do not use cedar for your bedding, cheap pine is the most economical, some use the paper pellets( care fresh) aspen and there is many more. GOOD LUCK any questions pm me
 
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I've raised quite a few rats. We never had a problem with cage odor as long as we cleaned the cages regularly. If the male is with the female up till a few days before the babies are born and you remove him it will upset the female. It is better to remove him sooner than that. Any rearrangement in a pregnant rat's cage disturbs them and can cause them to stress so much they neglect the babies. If the male is in the cage when the babies are born leave him in there. He won't hurt the babies and the female will already be pregnant again-they don't waste any time once the babies come. We never had a problem with not enough babies or the wrong sizes. We did have a problem with too many. If you are concerned about having too many keep the male separate. Females will steal and share each others babies and care for them but rarely hurt them so you could keep the females together and let them take turns visiting the male when you think you will need more. Keep his cage close enough to theirs that he doesn't feel isolated and give him lots of play time when he can run around a safe room and explore.
 

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Paul.. get 2 males and 2 females and alternate them. Put a male with a female for about a week.. females go into "heat" every 4 days... and then remove the male back to his male friend's cage. In 3 weeks, (or there abouts.. 21 - 23 day gestation), you will have babies and if you are feeding Mom properly, she will take care of her litter just fine by herself. DO NOT put the male in, or leave the male in, when she delivers.. she is capable of getting pregnant within 24 hours of delivery. Overbreeding can kill your female.. cause her to eat babies.. and/or make her very, very ill... as mentioned. (I don't think you want ill "food" for your herps.)

I have 2 boys here, if you are interested. :)


Also.. Clean = Odor free! I use Yesterday's News as litter.. works great! (mine are litter box trained, for the most part, too)
 

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Putting some vanilla in with the males drinking water is supposed to cut down on the smell. I know this is common with people who breed rats for the snake trade. I have no idea how much vanilla though.
 
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