Brachypelma albopilosum mating- FAILED. WARNING-GRUESOME IMAGES!!!

[JC]

Failed Brachypelma albopilosum mating. WARNING-GRUESOME IMAGES! If you do not want to see a tarantula getting hurt, DO NOT VIEW!


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[fatich]

unlucky boy, l hope he will heal,and also from the begining of mating ,l always thought that the female is anxious ,l wish you would have taken the male out. Crazy female ;P

 

[BlackCat]

Wow, I hope he is doing ok!

 

[Smitty78]

It was plainly obvious that the female was not being receptive. Beyond that, the flash, and noise you were making surely did not help. I can't say I am suprised with the results.

 

[Talkenlate04]

Three things,
#1
For the love of god if this happens again when you are mating something put the camera down and save the male.You also might want to rethink your separation method because clearly the tweezers were not working out for ya.

#2
Look for receptive behavior next time. The female was not responding at all to the male. Just because she was walking over to him does not mean she was willing. By letting her walk up to him like that you virtually sealed his fate.

And #3
If you are some how unable to save a male during mating and he takes a bite through the carapace like that hes doomed. At that point you might as well let her eat him because you won't save him.

 

[jayefbe]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwyCwL_sGIk

It would have been more humane to just let him be eaten. A T isn't going to survive a fang through its carapace.

 

[Smitty78]

Per my earlier post, and what Ryan said. This post should be made into a sticky of "WHAT NOT TO DO WHEN ATTEMPTING TO BREED". I was going to say it earlier, but did not. I would be embarrased to post this video if I were you. This males death is your fault PERIOD!!! This can be chalked up to inexperience.

 

[Teal]

Okay, so for us inexperienced breeders out there - what would have been plain signs that the female WAS receptive, and what are the obvious signs that she wasn't? I have my own theories on it, but I'd like to know for sure.

Smitty - I think that's a little harsh.
I'm sure the guy feels bad about what happened, didn't mean for it to happen, and will try harder so that it doesn't happen in the future. It's not like it's never happened before

I feel bad for the male's owner though... that is really not cool to see

 

[WelshTan]

Was the female even at a breedable/receptive age/size? My female B. albopilosum is much much larger than the one in the video, also a lot more shiny which would suggest the female in the video was in need of a molt thus would explain why the female was not receptive. i.e she did not tap back at the male to show her receptiveness. She also as I have said looked on the small side for a receptive/mature female B. albop.

 

[Singapore_Blue1]

Brachypelma albopilosum

This is one of the most uneducated moves that I've seen in a while. Why don't you do your homework first before you try to breed. It was more than obvious that she wasn't receptive. Secondly good move on just having a pair of tweezers to separate them. :wall: :wall: I'm glad that this was a B. albopilosum and not a Pampho or Xenesthis. Just a little fyi if the female doesn't tap back to the male it usually isn't a good situation.:? Plus rewatch your uneducated video again and notice the stance the female is taking. Their breeding motions are different than their food motions. Try reading some before you do this again. Do your homework so you don't look so foolish next time. Also I would personally be embarassed to post a video like this one. :8o It shows a lack of motivation and total ignorance on your part.

 

[equuskat]

B. albos can breed pretty small. I have seen one with a legspan of about 3.5" mate. That spider was probably big enough size wise, but she was not receptive. Had she been receptive, she should have been tapping, too! She does appear to be fairly late in the molt cycle, too, judging by her colors. My B. albopilosum has been mated to about 5 different males, and every time, she taps like mad, sometimes with more enthusiasm than the male. She has never show aggression toward a male.

I use a delicup when I put spiders together. If it looks like there are problems, I drop the cup over the male, so that he is protected. It can also be put over the female so that the male can be allowed to run away after a breeding.

It seems to me that what happened here should have been easy to prevent...chalk it up as a lesson, I guess...

 

[Anastasia]

well, that is how it goes sumtimes,
educational,
Am sorry male got killed, poor guy
but, egg-carton for a hide?? :?

 

[unprofessional]

Other people will learn from this, so there's no reason for him not to post it. Take it easy - we all make mistakes, and hopefully learn from them. Chastisement just puts people on the defensive, rather than positively influencing their future actions.

 

[Singapore_Blue1]

Learning the basics first

Ok there is a distinct difference between making a mistake and making a mistake that could have been easily avoided. There is a not so nice word for this (ignorance). Hopefully what people will learn from this is to really do the research and not make foolish mistakes like this one. I am not trying to scare anyone away, but don't expect me to look at something like this and just say oh well. More and more people are breeding even more rare T's that are just starting out in the hobby, not just B. albopilosum. We don't need someone messing up like this with a M. balfouri or P. metallica. All I am trying to get at is people really need to understand basic pieces of knowledge (before) they attempt to breed. In my view if a mistake is then made, then you may then chalk it up to experience, but if the knowledge isn't sought after then it is plain ignorance.

 

[JC]

It was plainly obvious that the female was not being receptive. Beyond that, the flash, and noise you were making surely did not help. I can't say I am suprised with the results.

I wasn't making noises the camera is ultra sensitive to sound and I actually have to slow my breathing and hold it at times so that you don't have to hear the annoyance of my breath.

Three things,
#1
For the love of god if this happens again when you are mating something put the camera down and save the male.You also might want to rethink your separation method because clearly the tweezers were not working out for ya.

The only reason I separated them was to avoid the male being eaten by the female, sealed fate or not it pains me to see. I knew he was dead 2 seconds after I had tried to separate them when I noticed that a fang had entered the carapace.

I did have something else to separate them, it was not viewable when the camera was hanging from the wrist straps.

Per my earlier post, and what Ryan said. This post should be made into a sticky of "WHAT NOT TO DO WHEN ATTEMPTING TO BREED". I was going to say it earlier, but did not. I would be embarrassed to post this video if I were you. This males death is your fault PERIOD!!! This can be chalked up to inexperience.

Embarrassed? No my friend. If it was a mistake that "can be chalked up to inexperienced" than let this thread serve all of those inexperienced hobbyists that are about the embark on the on the same path. If I had this thread as a reference before I had paired these two it would have been very helpful. I wouldn't mind one bit if it were stickied to help and educate others.

For those that may think the comments above are a bit harsh, I can assure you I am not offended in the least bit, and will not take offense from anything else that is posted. One thing is for sure, I will never repeat the same mistake again, and believe me, there is no one more disappointed at this than myself.

 

[violentblossom]

The attitudes of some of the members of this forum are almost as apalling as what ocurred in the video.

 

[Talkenlate04]

I have had my fair share of murdered males so its just a live and learn situation.
Do your best to protect them and that is all you can do.

 

[jbm150]

Tough lesson learned and way to not let 'em beat you down. Sorry for your loss man

 

[codykrr]

dang man, sorry about the loss.

but i also want to add.

you all say she should have beem tapping...ive had some females not tap at all. my OBT female didnt tap. but in that video when she started walking towards him was obvious she was ready to kill.

also i want to say..go put some water in her extra tiny dish. and get her a better hide.

either way im sure he feels bad. so give him a break, stuff happens. even with research this could have happened.

 

[xhexdx]

Hey JC,

Kudos to you for taking all the criticism so well. I have to say, I agree with all of it, but that's as far as I'll go with it because everyone else took care of the dirty work. :}

There is plenty of information online (not just on arachnoboards) concerning tarantula breeding. Hell, even on youtube, even if the tarantulas aren't the same species, if the pairing is successful, there's one more vid under your belt of what to expect when breeding your own spiders.

Best of luck next time.

--Joe