Bite from Phormictopus cancerides

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So, I was bitten a few hours ago because I was a Fool and ignored my tarantula's warnings. I made this log of what I experienced from the bite from a Phormictopus cancerides.

(By the way, my spider is fine - a bit grumpy but fine.)

I'm using the second to last pain scale on this webpage. https://lifewithmcc.com/2019/08/04/my-favorite-pain-scale/

Bite approximately at 11:14. 25/09/2020. I think a female. Appropriately 10cm-15cm diameter. Bite on left index finger. Immediate pain approximately 3 on pain scale. Fading after a minute to 2 or 3 on pain scale. Slight pain (burning) at bite. Slight swelling immediately. Bite located approximately 0,5 to 1cm from tip of left. index finger on the underside of the hand. And 0,5-1cm from tip of left middle finger on side close to index.

11:21, burning fading. Assumed no venom injected (edit: given that the bite site has had a mild burning for a few hours, there is definitely venom.) Still very slight burning. 1 or 2 on pain scale. Noticed possibility of bite on left middle finger. 1 or 2 on pain scale, barely noticeable. Slight discolouration (whitening) of skin where fangs possibly pierced skin.

11:24, slight increase of pain in left middle finger.

11:29, pain decreased to nearly 0, slight 'tingle-burning' with slight swelling in index finger.

11:35, no pain.

11:38, slight tingling and very slight burning in index finger, seems to depend on position of hand.

11:58, no pain.

12:08, slight burning in index, changes from no pain to burning, always mild. Swelling appears to have gone down.

13:06, still very mild, near unnoticeable burning at bite site on index.

13:21, pain less than before, still some weird 'feeling' in index finger.

13:22, burning increase at finger tip. Pain is a 2.

13:28, pain decreased to 1.

14:09, increase in burning to approximately 3, immediate decrease to 1.

14:32, pain increase to 3 when index is pressed against a surface with moderate-light force. Near immediate decrease in pain back to 1.

16:03, almost no pain. Slight 'tingle-burn' when firm pressure is applied to index finger.

16:13, slight stiffness in my left brachioradialis; however, due to the stiffness not being near my hand, I suspect that this is more likely caused from me using my arm (holding up PS4 controller.) Logging it just is case it is caused by the venom.

16:25, slight, constant, stuffy feeling at the front of my head (almost a headache but not sore) with, so far, two instances of a slight increase in pain on the right side of my forehead. However, this is more likely a sinus headache.

17:28, pain appears to have completely faded in index finger. Slight pain in middle finger and palm just above thumb.

17:52, pain in fingers appears to have faded. Slight pain around thumb metacarpal. Slight pain and stiffness around upper arm.

18:08, light headedness and mild headache when standing up (however, this is normal for me and might not have been caused by the venom.) Light headedness faded after 10-20 seconds, headache faded within 2 minutes. Pain in index finger has returned.

18:53, slight redness around bite mark on index finger. Near unnoticeable redness around bite mark on middle finger.

20:13, no pain in fingers, slight headache that comes and goes could be sinuses or dehydration). Slight aching of elbow joint and knees - however, that is not atypical for me and could be caused by something else.

20:15, slight pain in muscles of upper arm.

20:20, mild headache returns when standing, faded to only a slight pain within a minute.

20:54, elbow joint and head still a bit sore (head fluctuates between pain and a stuffy feeling.) Very slight pain in index finger which is still a bit red. No red in middle finger but a scab has formed over the bite.

20:59, headache getting worse but still tolerable, approximately a 4 or 5 on the pain scale.

21:06, headache back to a 1/stuffy feeling. No increase in pain when standing up and walking.

22:30, very slight headache, might be due to dehydration rather than venom.

23:15, no headache, index finger is still red and is a bit sore when pressure is placed on the area of the bite. Seeing as I have now had some water, I suspect that previous headaches were a result of dehydration - the spikes in pain might have been due to venom, however, as I usually experience a steady pain with dehydration headaches.

23:25, index is still noticeably red, however, it is very slight and could easily have been caused by pressure on my index rather than the venom, although the very slightest of burning sensations suggest otherwise. Slight pain in my right thumb joint of the metacarpal and phalange and occasional pain in my right index finger - these are more likely caused by playing with a PS4 controller but logging it just in case.

23:34, mild headache has returned, seems to be focused more in the middle/top of my head than the front.

23:37, I have just noticed that I have a slightly elavated heart rate (which I had previously noticed but did not 'comprehend', so to speak.) However, this may be caused from video games rather than the venom. Logging it just in case.

23:41, heart rate seems to have settled. Thus, I suspect the cause was not venom but, rather, video games.

23:57, headache has faded. Slight stiffness in my jaw muscles and a brief, slight pain in my neck - however, neither occurance is unusual for me and the stiffness and pain might not be caused by venom.

09/25, 00:00, I have just noticed a slight bit of redness around the bite-scab on my middle finger. There is no pain in that area even when moderate pressure is applied. Index finger still burns slightly when moderate pressure is applied. Right index and thumb are no longer sore. No noticeable headache.

00:33, headache located at the back left and left side of my head. Roughly 3 or 4 on pain scale.
 
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Glad it wasn't worse for you. I can only imagine the Adrenaline rush. I have a healthy respect for my adult female. Grumpy she is with a touch of stealth.
 

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Glad it wasn't worse for you. I can only imagine the Adrenaline rush. I have a healthy respect for my adult female. Grumpy she is with a touch of stealth.
It was quite funny actually - I made this weird yelping sound, she fell on the floor (only a half meter or less drop), my brain registered what actually happened, I got her back in her tank and I just started laughing. It was very unexpected. Also my first bite ever from a tarantula and, quite frankly, I'm glad it was from this spider and not one of my old worlds - learnt the lesson to respect the t's without too much pain to go with it.
 

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t was quite funny actually - I made this weird yelping sound, she fell on the floor (only a half meter or less drop)
This isn’t really all that funny, this is why we so strongly advise against handling, because you could have flung it in reaction or it fallen farther and the animal could have been seriously injured or died.
 

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This isn’t really all that funny, this is why we so strongly advise against handling, because you could have flung it in reaction or it fallen farther and the animal could have been seriously injured or died.
And, slightly last but not least, with a still healthy spider. Falling from half meter is enough for cause injuries (and sometimes worst) to terrestrial T's :writer:
I know that - it was only funny because there were no injuries. Perhaps not real humour but that 'a bad thing happened and I'm surprised everything is still fine' sort of humour.
 

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That you know of for now. Internal injuries are quiet hard to detect until they are painfully obvious. :depressed:
I did not think of that. Oh dear.

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rusted180

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whoa... another reminder to just respect them regardless of venom ow/nw...

at least your okay. but def a hard lesson learned!
 

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whoa... another reminder to just respect them regardless of venom ow/nw...

at least your okay. but def a hard lesson learned!
Definitely - but most certainly a lesson that I'm quite grateful to have learnt with a new world than one of my old worlds!
 

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Definitely - but most certainly a lesson that I'm quite grateful to have learnt with a new world than one of my old worlds!
I hear ya on that one..
Hate to get bit by one of mine. Thats why i always go thru this preparation process whenever i feed or water them. U just never know.. now all this work i do has become 2nd nature.
I actually dont mind going the extra length to do all this husbandy every week... its better than changing the water in my old reef tanks... try doing that every week for 15 years... it sucks.
Takes hours leading up to the water change.. gotta purify water, mix salt, check salinity, measure out tank water for mg, strontium, calcium, buffer, etc etc etc... ugh.. dang how the hell did i do that for so long until i let go of that hobby last year??
 

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I hear ya on that one..
Hate to get bit by one of mine. Thats why i always go thru this preparation process whenever i feed or water them. U just never know.. now all this work i do has become 2nd nature.
I actually dont mind going the extra length to do all this husbandy every week... its better than changing the water in my old reef tanks... try doing that every week for 15 years... it sucks.
Takes hours leading up to the water change.. gotta purify water, mix salt, check salinity, measure out tank water for mg, strontium, calcium, buffer, etc etc etc... ugh.. dang how the hell did i do that for so long until i let go of that hobby last year??
Eish, that sounds hectic - I have five fresh water tanks and a pond and those are exhausting enough. Still doesn't dissuade me from wanting my own reef aquarium, though.

I've wondered - are you able to keep a few hundred litres of clean water with the correct salinity/pH/GH/KH/whatever stored for for a few weeks? Because then one need only mix the water every few weeks instead of for every water change. Of course, there-in lies the problem of where and what you'll store the water in...

My t's tend to hide - except for my Chilean rose but she's the laziest spider I've ever encountered (I mean, really, what kind of spider slowly walks up to and gently picks up its prey?) so I've never really needed to bother with precautions - I just make sure that the lid is loosened but left on whilst I grab food items and then quickly taken off and placed in and I check the water at the same time - I use water gel, which doesn't dry up so fast (except in the Chilean's tank, which is one of those Exo-Terra tanks. Water/watergel dries up quickly in that.)
 

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Eish, that sounds hectic - I have five fresh water tanks and a pond and those are exhausting enough. Still doesn't dissuade me from wanting my own reef aquarium, though.

I've wondered - are you able to keep a few hundred litres of clean water with the correct salinity/pH/GH/KH/whatever stored for for a few weeks? Because then one need only mix the water every few weeks instead of for every water change. Of course, there-in lies the problem of where and what you'll store the water in...

My t's tend to hide - except for my Chilean rose but she's the laziest spider I've ever encountered (I mean, really, what kind of spider slowly walks up to and gently picks up its prey?) so I've never really needed to bother with precautions - I just make sure that the lid is loosened but left on whilst I grab food items and then quickly taken off and placed in and I check the water at the same time - I use water gel, which doesn't dry up so fast (except in the Chilean's tank, which is one of those Exo-Terra tanks. Water/watergel dries up quickly in that.)
Yeah you can premix. In actuality, if you buy high quality salt, it should have all the right levels of essential elements you need for the water you need to replace. HOWEVER, you need to test your water in your tank... cuz once that 1 week passes.. those levels in your tank get depleted... esp. if you have calicum hungry animals like SPS corals, giant clams ,etc, etc.... esp. Clams... they suck the living crap out of the calcium and other elements so let's say you replace 5 gallons of water in a 40 gallon tank... even though that 5 gallons has the perfect levels, the other 35 gallons that make up the total 40 gallons dont.. so that's where you have to dose those elements in after the water change to keep the overall levels up to par.
It's a pain man.... now i am aware of automated dosing.. but im too old school and i dont believe in auto dosing your tank... why???? cuz ive had couple friends that ended up crashing their tank ( a wipe out) because their auto dosing system broke over time and started to dump buffer into the water which killed their fish and coral... about a couple thousand dollars worth of life... That's why i never was keen on getting one of those... I like to be in better control of the sitation.

Now for mixing water a head of time and storing it... you can do that... but I learned it's not the best idea... cuz the elements over time will start depleting in the stored water. Just the name of the game.... If you do store water... its best to store it for like 2 weeks max. If you store it any longer like i used to... then you'll essentially be putting not the greatest sea water into your tank during your water changes... you'll start to notice whenever you do your water tests in your tank.. I suspected this so when i tested the pre-mixed salt water that was a month old.. the levels were down. Im not saying dont store your water cuz itll kill your tank... i just think its not the best thing. Putting in freshly mixed sea water is the most effective.

But i hear ya! it's definitely a rewarding hobby and it's just as addictive as this hobby... but it really really requires TOTAL commitment... I've kept many pets over the years. Dogs, cats, in fact, i used to keep fresh water African Tiger Fish ( better than piranhas ) and helped my dad raise Koi in his japanese pond... and im telling you.... Reef keeping in my opinion is the toughest.... it's back breaking work, stressful at times when something mysterious happens, and you'll feel like your a chemist most of the time.

Not trying to discourage you at all! it's a freaking awesome hobby... but just know it's a lot of work.. or else... your tank will end up looking like a algae swamp or youll always be having deaths like my dumb friend that treated his tank like a fresh water tank.

If you are going to get into it... most would tell u to get a large tank so that it's more forgiving if you slip up in the husbandry... but to me... just me... i think getting a 10 gallon nano would be best cuz it'll be expensive... but not expensive like a 60 - 80 gallon. I mean... what if you end up not liking it after a year or two? you just spent a thousand bucks and now your selling everything off for a fraction of that amount!

Some will argue that getting a nano is tougher cuz less space equals more fluctuation in the chemistry for beginners... but i disagree... AS long as you do your water changes religiously every single week... youll be okay. just do a 5 gallon water change on a 10 gallon and youll be golden.. you wont even have to test your water as long as your using high quality sea salt. i had a nano along with 2 other tanks and i never ever tested water on my nano.. i just always did a 5 gallon change and it was totally fine. in fact that nano thrived!

SORRY MODS FOR THE OFF TOPIC.
 

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oh btw, I LOVE YOUR COUNTRY AFRICA!

Stayed in Kenya for almost 3 weeks on a short mission trip. Fell in love with Africa! Of course, that is why I had to have a p. Murinus TCF (Kenya) and the OBT RCF (Tanzania)!
 
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P cancerides are quite possibly the worst species of T to hold, at least for NW... Heck, P cancerides make OBTs, Pokies, and Feather legs back to corners from their fierce attitudes. NOT a T to play with or hold, you're just looking for trouble.

That's the thing with Ts... one stage they can be docile, sweet even. After a molt they can literally turn into a nightmare like a switch.
 

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Unable to continue editing original message, updating here:

08:04, woke up. Stiffness in both left and right Adductor pollicis, pain and stiffness is more intense in right hand; thus, I assume that this is not caused by the venom (as I would expect the stiffness to be more intense closer to the bite.) No headache. Only the very slightest off redness left around the bites on my fingers - it's slight enough that I could be imagining it. Should I have no new symptoms within 6 hours, I shall assume that thenvenom has stopped affecting me.

08:08, slight headache located at the left side and front of my head - however, this is usual for me when I wake up and could be caused by dehydration, thus, I shall not count this towards the 6 hours unless the headache persists.

08:24, mild burning in index finger when moderate pressure is applied.

08:41, mild burning in index finger when moderate pressure is applied.

08:20, headache still lingering, however, it is so mild it's almost not sore and is better described as 'stuffiness'. Bite on index hurts very mildly to very firm pressure, bite on middle finger does not react at all.

09:46, mild headache has migrated to the front right of my head. I have used Flixonase and saline for my nose in case the pain is caused by sinuses. It should perhaps be noted that I used Flixonase at some point last night but forgot to log it.

11:18, Adductor pollicis no longer sore, still stiff in right hand (presumably not from venom.) Index finger mildly sore when a lot of firm pressure is applied.

12:57, head feels a bit stuffy but isn't sore. I feel tired and my eyes have that 'you need to sleep' feeling. No pain but slight tingling when firmly pressing on index finger. Index finger burns slightly if I firmly press and rub the bite wound a few times.

14:06, mild headache, perhaps a 2 on the pain scale.

15:26, no pain until I thought about it and then I noticed a mild pain in my forehead. Going to use more Flixonase (I also have a post nasal drip but I've had that since before the bite.) No pain in fingers, have not applied pressure. Still a bit pink around the bite marks.

17:30, no headache, just a slight feeling of stuffiness. Bite marks are a bit red, no pain. Fingers no longer burn when pressure is applied.

19:24, neither headache nor pain in fingers. Possibly slight reddening at bite sites. Ache in right inner thigh located above the knee and left arm near elbow (possibly tricep?), ache in left-inner-upper thigh, 2 or 3 on pain scale for all. Pain has mostly faded as I have typed this. Muscle pain, especially in my legs, is not unusual for me. Slight ache (1 or 2) in my left elbow joint and my left ankle. Faded as I have typed. Only pain in right thigh and left arm muscle is noticeable. About a 1 for left thigh.
 
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