Ball python help

maria081880

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I just got a ball python..It's a little over a foot and a half long, and I have it in a 55 gallon aquarium. Now I'm being told that all that room will stress it out...but im not sure if thats true or not..and I don't have another aquarium to put it in at the moment..I probably won't for a few weeks.
 

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I just got a ball python..It's a little over a foot and a half long, and I have it in a 55 gallon aquarium. Now I'm being told that all that room will stress it out...but im not sure if thats true or not..and I don't have another aquarium to put it in at the moment..I probably won't for a few weeks.
If I were you I'd trash the 55. But that's just me. 55's are too skinny and tall for anything really in my opinion. Get a 30 or 20. In reality, if it is eating good it is fine!
TBH
 

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I just got a ball python..It's a little over a foot and a half long, and I have it in a 55 gallon aquarium. Now I'm being told that all that room will stress it out...but im not sure if thats true or not..and I don't have another aquarium to put it in at the moment..I probably won't for a few weeks.
It will be fine for a while, all you have to do is add a lot of hides in there with a good size water dish and it will be just fine.

make sure it has an UTH
 

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55 is a bit excessive for a BP of that size... Still, every individual is different, so what could be stressful to many is not necessarily stressful to all. Make sure you have a heat gradient set up, and can control the humidity. At least two hides (one on the hot side, on on the cool side), and tank decorations like fake plants and such, to help her feel secure. If she's eating for you without problems, then she's doing fine. If she stops eating, you may want to consider switching her to a smaller home...
 

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Perfect advice from all of the above. =p


I was going to make a real post, but I realized I'd just be saying the exact same thing as everyone already. So, to make sure that doesn't happen...



Olives.
 

maria081880

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lmao..thanks :3 I got two hideouts on each end..he prefers the rock cave hideout..he stays in there most of the time. I have a heat rock in there until i can get an undertank heater..and i know thats a bad idea but i put a slate of rock on top of that and put some substrate around the sides so it never touches the snake right on >_>..and i have a 20 gallon but it looks crappy so im going to buy a new one. I don't want to keep switchin him around so ill wait til i buy the new one instead of switching buying and switching again. I'm sure that can't be too good for him >_>. I havent fed him yet. He ate last week according to the pet store..and the roads were REALLY bad so i couldnt get out..might go up tomorrow though for some frozen ..um...i think he called them hopper mice...his head isnt very big though i cant picture him eating pinkies..but they said thats what they been feeding him lately..i waved a cricket in front of his nose and he didnt seem to want it other than that attempt i havent tried anything else. thanks for ur advice guys :)
 

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i think he called them hopper mice...his head isnt very big though i cant picture him eating pinkies..but they said thats what they been feeding him lately..
Hopper mice? Seriously? I'd be surprised if your snake isn't underweight - can you clearly see where his spine is, or is he properly round? A snake should be eating something at LEAST as big around as the fattest part of his body (no more than 1.5x that), but if your snake is underweight that won't be a good measurement, so you'll have to guess. I'm pretty sure mine was eating adult mice by that size.

i waved a cricket in front of his nose
Why would you even try this? {D A bp will never, ever eat a cricket. They will technically eat a variety of rodents or the occasional bird, but listen to me - DO NOT FEED YOUR BP A VARIED DIET. They like to randomly imprint on very specific prey items, and if you decide to toss in a parakeet or hamster or something and it imprints on that...good luck ever getting it to eat anything less expensive. Many bps will even refuse to eat a mouse or rat that's a different color from what they're used to.

You'll probably have enough frustration getting your bp to switch to rats when it outgrows mice, no need to make it worse. :)

Additional note: a heat rock buried in substrate could be a fire hazard. Also bps are burrowers, so that won't help anyway. Getting rid of the rock needs to be your #1 priority, even more than worrying about food. Most bps won't want to eat for a week or two after something stressful like moving to a new enclosure anyway.
 

maria081880

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oO.....my snakes not underweight...hes just a baby....and i have to keep it warm in there..the heat lamp isnt doing enough. i wont have the money to get a heat pad til like...sunday...>_> and as for the cricket..i didnt expect him to eat it ..but i just wanted to take the shot anyway and see..<_<
 

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oO.....my snakes not underweight...hes just a baby....
If your snake is 1.5 feet long and has only been fed hopper mice, I really do expect it's underweight. Ball python *hatchlings* are often started on adult mice.
 

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My girl was hatched in may, and she's been on small rats for a few months already... Their necks look super tiny, but believe me, these guys can take it! Since he's in a new environment, I would suggest offering him a hopper for his next meal, just so that if he doesn't eat, you can rule out the size of prey as a factor... if he doesn't eat a hopper, its probably because he's stressed out in the new environment. If he takes the hopper, then offer a small adult mouse for the next feeding. Trust me, he can handle it, and he'll thank you for it!
 

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I have two month old BPs, both are eating small (adult/large juv.) mice, prekilled. They can take prey that's a lot bigger than it looks like they can handle. heh
 

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Many bps will even refuse to eat a mouse or rat that's a different color from what they're used to.
My friend has a BP that will only eat white mice/rats, if it has a tiny spot of color on it it will not eat it.
 

maria081880

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oh wow..i have a lot of research ahead of me i guess XD..i did some before i went shopping i guess i should have done more...oh and i fed him an adult mouse today..he gobbled it up so fast >.>! and i never seen a snake eat before in person it was awesome XD.. thanks again for your help but also..i have one more question.... is it ok to handle him after feeding? to put him back in his tank from the feeding tank? i wasnt sure and i dont think i would wanna be picked up after i just ate >_>
 

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oh wow..i have a lot of research ahead of me i guess XD..i did some before i went shopping i guess i should have done more...oh and i fed him an adult mouse today..he gobbled it up so fast >.>! and i never seen a snake eat before in person it was awesome XD.. thanks again for your help but also..i have one more question.... is it ok to handle him after feeding? to put him back in his tank from the feeding tank? i wasnt sure and i dont think i would wanna be picked up after i just ate >_>
do not handle right after feeding. your snake may barf it up. wait a day or two before handling him. also, don't don't handle him until he's been eating regularly for 2 or 3 weeks. handling a new ball python too soon can result in stress, which leads to a snake that won't eat, and eventually, death.
 

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is it ok to handle him after feeding? to put him back in his tank from the feeding tank? i wasnt sure and i dont think i would wanna be picked up after i just ate >_>
You can try holding the feeding tub over the enclosure and let the snake come out on its own 1/2 hr after it ate.
 

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I do pick my snakes up to put them back in their enclosure after feeding, and nobody has ever regurgitated. You just have to be very gentle and do not "handle" other than to put them right back into the cage. Support the entire body.
 

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do not handle right after feeding. your snake may barf it up. wait a day or two before handling him. also, don't don't handle him until he's been eating regularly for 2 or 3 weeks. handling a new ball python too soon can result in stress, which leads to a snake that won't eat, and eventually, death.
That wasn't the question, though.

Yes, maria081880, you can pick up the snake from the feeding box once it's settled down and is clearly done swallowing. Don't do ANYTHING but move the snake from the food box back into the enclosure, just get it done and give the snake a day or two to digest . :)
 

maria081880

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hmm....ur suppose to feed a snake every 5-7 days as a young snake...what happens if u feed it sooner...say...three days after a feeding? would that hurt it or somthing >_>? and i dont know how to tell if hes underweight or not..i gave him a small adult mouse yesterday
 

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hmm....ur suppose to feed a snake every 5-7 days as a young snake...what happens if u feed it sooner...say...three days after a feeding? would that hurt it or somthing >_>?
Well for one, it probably won't even want to eat that soon since it's going to barely be done digesting its last meal. I don't know who told you a 1.5 foot BP should be fed every five days in the first place, but it should be more like a week to ten days. There is no animal on earth that benefits from being overfed and obese - not people, not snakes, not anything.

and i dont know how to tell if hes underweight or not
You've already been told that in this very thread. "can you clearly see where his spine is, or is he properly round?" A BP should not be tent-shaped, for lack of a better descriptor. If you want to see a "good" example of an underweight ball python, go check out your local PetCo. They can usually be counted on to have some sickly wild-caughts with spines showing.
 
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