Are roaches and hornworms worth it to feed to my Asian forest scorpion

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My Asian forest scorpion, Dr Claw, eats 1-3 crickets per week and every couple weeks I put in a super worm. Would Roaches or hornworms be worth my time for my scorp’s health or am I mostly covered with crickets and super worms? If any of you seasoned enthusiasts could help, I’d appreciate it, I love my scorpion so I want the best diet, thx!
 

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My Asian forest scorpion, Dr Claw, eats 1-3 crickets per week and every couple weeks I put in a super worm. Would Roaches or hornworms be worth my time for my scorp’s health or am I mostly covered with crickets and super worms? If any of you seasoned enthusiasts could help, I’d appreciate it, I love my scorpion so I want the best diet, thx!
I can't speak to health advantages for scorpions, although I can say that crickets are all tarantulas ever need. That said, there is an entertainment value in feeding something as incredibly juicy as a hornworm to many a creature..I'd imagine it'd be a show with those guys, too...
 

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My Asian forest scorpion, Dr Claw, eats 1-3 crickets per week and every couple weeks I put in a super worm. Would Roaches or hornworms be worth my time for my scorp’s health or am I mostly covered with crickets and super worms? If any of you seasoned enthusiasts could help, I’d appreciate it, I love my scorpion so I want the best diet, thx!
It's already being overfed. Unless it's a tiny sling you should be feeding it much less.
 

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The more you feed your scorpion, the quicker it dies. Obviously, we want our bugs to be eating enough to be healthy and happy, but you have to find a middle ground.
 

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The more you feed your scorpion, the quicker it dies. Obviously, we want our bugs to be eating enough to be healthy and happy, but you have to find a middle ground.
1-3 crickets a week is too much? Would just 1 cut it?
 

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Unless it's a baby, I feed mine one cricket a month or less depending on the size of the cricket.
Really? I didn’t know that. My scorp is very big (little over 5”, give or take, when I attempted to measure him last) but was sold as a sub adult. So if you were in my position, a cricket a month would be fine?
 

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Really? I didn’t know that. My scorp is very big (little over 5”, give or take, when I attempted to measure him last) but was sold as a sub adult. So if you were in my position, a cricket a month would be fine?
If it's a good sized cricket then sure. If they're on the smaller side give it two. Also a superworm now and again is good for variety and some extra oomph.
 

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If it's a good sized cricket then sure. If they're on the smaller side give it two. Also a superworm now and again is good for variety and some extra oomph.
Someone on here said something about superworms carrying a virus currently or something? I can't remember who said but it was on here recently, I don't know if theres any truth to that but its enough for my paranoid ass to steer clear of them lol for now
 

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It's already being overfed. Unless it's a tiny sling you should be feeding it much less.
The more you feed your scorpion, the quicker it dies.
Just think of how the AFS lives in the wild. Take the two I dealt with yesterday. Buried deep in the ground quite some distance, about 30 feet of paved driveway, from bio-active detritus. Their natural state is a torpor like condition, every now and then digging themselves out, feeding, then back into hiding safe from predators. So in all likelihood most of their feeding is accidental opportunity of an earthworm that gets too close to where they are hiding. Once every couple of weeks? Maybe a month?
 

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Just think of how the AFS lives in the wild. Take the two I dealt with yesterday. Buried deep in the ground quite some distance, about 30 feet of paved driveway, from bio-active detritus. Their natural state is a torpor like condition, every now and then digging themselves out, feeding, then back into hiding safe from predators. So in all likelihood most of their feeding is accidental opportunity of an earthworm that gets too close to where they are hiding. Once every couple of weeks? Maybe a month?
The natural world is brutal, and this is likely the reality.
 

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The natural world is brutal, and this is likely the reality.
Well, take into account the habits acquired and passed on through countless generations. Natural adaptation. Birds are a scorps deadliest enemies. Diurnal and nocturnal hunters, both predators and omnivores. Above ground at any time the AFS is running a perilous gauntlet. Thus I often find keepers of these scorps rather revolting, wanting their animals to be on display. The ones that are are anomalies. Unnatural domesticated entertainments as far removed from their reality as a toy poodle is from it's ancestral canine. Their natural adaptations, traits, severely suppressed.

A human's best role in the ecosystems is one of stewardship. Aiding and protecting the natural environment. Not slave owners dictating IMHOs of the amazing planet around us.
 
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Well, take into account the habits acquired and passed on through countless generations. Natural adaptation. Birds are a scorps deadliest enemies. Diurnal and nocturnal hunters, both predators and omnivores. Above ground at any time the AFS is running a perilous gauntlet. Thus I often find keepers of these scorps rather revolting, wanting their animals to be on display. The ones that are are anomalies. Unnatural domesticated entertainments as far removed from their reality as a toy poodle is from it's ancestral canine. Their natural adaptations, traits, severely suppressed.

A human's best role in the ecosystems is one of stewardship. Aiding and protecting the natural environment. Not slave owners dictating IMHOs of the amazing planet around us.
I completely agree, and I know alot of people will not understand your perspective but I do. The revolting kind of people who put bright UV bulbs above their scorpion enclosure, or who make a brightly lit ASF tank to be a center piece in their tattoo parlor. As if these animals exist for our amusement.

But that kind of goes into my deeper philosophy about pets, which I find the modern pet trade abhorrent. Do I participate in it? Certainly, there's no way not to. But if I could snap my fingers and make owning pets not a thing (maybe aside from cats and dogs) I would do it in a heartbeat. I truly believe petco and petsmart etc are evil.
 

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But that kind of goes into my deeper philosophy about pets, which I find the modern pet trade abhorrent. Do I participate in it? Certainly, there's no way not to. But if I could snap my fingers and make owning pets not a thing (maybe aside from cats and dogs) I would do it in a heartbeat. I truly believe petco and petsmart etc are evil.
Observing animals in situ is the major way of coming to understand them. In turn understanding them lends to our greater understanding which in turns leads us toward grasping the natural balance.

Both my Sis and I are horse gentlers. The difference between that process and the common domestication of 'pets' is you establish a rapport with the animal and find a common ground where in essence, you both learn to tolerate each others quirks.
A good example was my horse. A mustang stallion that the owner wished to retire from the breeding program. After introductions and a chat where I brought to his attention I'm a native American, old school in my thinking. I asked him how much he wanted for the horse. His reply, "He's never been broken. You give me your word you won't cut him or break him and he's yours." Took me a couple of months every day to establish a rapport then I gave him some basic verbal commands. If I used one of those commands he did what I wanted. The principals were "On The Job." Cut out the antics. We have a job to do. "Go play." Go back to being yourself. The bonus came in when I would mount him without a command then tell him "Go Play." Many a 30 to 50 mile frisky romp as he burned off his corral energy was our mutual reward.
When I was no longer able to keep a horse I took him out to the wild herds. He came out of the trailer and told him to go play. 10 minutes later he subjugated the other stallions and had his own herd. Back to the wild, one ton of belligerence.
 
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But if I could snap my fingers and make owning pets not a thing (maybe aside from cats and dogs) I would do it in a heartbeat.
If this lacey thing passes that's exactly what will happen. None of us will have anything after a decade or so.

But personally I would not go this far. I would say more responsible regulation. For example, proving that you understand the animal's natural environment and showing the planned setup and mimicking the natural as close as possible. The guy who wants a dozen Pandinus spp. on an inch of aquarium gravel would be disqualified.
 

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Unless it's a baby, I feed mine one cricket a month or less depending on the size of the cricket.
Why is it the more you feed the quicker it dies? Also I have a communal of 6 scorpions and I feed it every 2-3 or every week, I just drop 1 or 2 and take or leave. If they dont eat I usually leave it in their to tomorrow and if they dont eat I take it out.

1-2 cricket deoending on size should be enough every week. Crazy to feed once every month, plus they only live for about 7 years and that will only be about 100 kills in its whole life, thats crazy.
 

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Why is it the more you feed the quicker it dies? Also I have a communal of 6 scorpions and I feed it every 2-3 or every week, I just drop 1 or 2 and take or leave. If they dont eat I usually leave it in their to tomorrow and if they dont eat I take it out.

1-2 cricket deoending on size should be enough every week. Crazy to feed once every month, plus they only live for about 7 years and that will only be about 100 kills in its whole life, thats crazy.
I don't know what you're referring to on quicker it dies if you feed more. I didn't write that. I don't feed any of my inverts on any kind of schedule I just know I average once a month or so based on my anecdotal thinking of when I do it. Could be more, could be less. I don't keep track. I only have one or two specimens that look overfed.
 

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Why is it the more you feed the quicker it dies? Also I have a communal of 6 scorpions and I feed it every 2-3 or every week, I just drop 1 or 2 and take or leave. If they dont eat I usually leave it in their to tomorrow and if they dont eat I take it out.

1-2 cricket deoending on size should be enough every week. Crazy to feed once every month, plus they only live for about 7 years and that will only be about 100 kills in its whole life, thats crazy.
I said that because the more often you feed, it speeds up their metabolism, making them molt more, sometimes to an unhealthy degree especially when theyre young. Making them more quickly reach the end of their life. They don't need to be fed often, once a week is fine and even that is being quite generous. Like the other guy said he only feeds once a month.
 

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I said that because the more often you feed, it speeds up their metabolism, making them molt more, sometimes to an unhealthy degree especially when theyre young. Making them more quickly reach the end of their life. They don't need to be fed often, once a week is fine and even that is being quite generous. Like the other guy said he only feeds once a month.
That makes sense, but still I rather give my scorpion a good life than just trying to achieve a long life.
 

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I don't know what you're referring to on quicker it dies if you feed more. I didn't write that. I don't feed any of my inverts on any kind of schedule I just know I average once a month or so based on my anecdotal thinking of when I do it. Could be more, could be less. I don't keep track. I only have one or two specimens that look overfed.
Sorry I quoted the wrong person but its ok.
 
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