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I'm interested in getting a white widow or two in the future. Is anyone breeding/planning on breeding any?
Anyone breeding white widows?
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hi,
a friend of mine is breeding them and accordingly to him they´re hard to raise.
a friend of mine is breeding them and accordingly to him they´re hard to raise.
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can someone please post a picture of one? and this is me wondering out loud: why are the white ones "hard to raise"?
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hi,
you can find a picture here: www.latrodectus.de.vu
According to him (and he´s breeding them) they need hibernation at 15-17°C for 3 month. Additionally some spiderlings seem to refuse feeding (L. lilianae do aswell), and I had that problem with a breeding stem of Latrodectus tredecimguttatus from Croatia.
you can find a picture here: www.latrodectus.de.vu
According to him (and he´s breeding them) they need hibernation at 15-17°C for 3 month. Additionally some spiderlings seem to refuse feeding (L. lilianae do aswell), and I had that problem with a breeding stem of Latrodectus tredecimguttatus from Croatia.
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you can do a search of white widow and find some pictures. I didn't know they are hard to breed, that would explain why they are difficult to find.
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that link didn't work, did anybody else have any luck?
:8o ok, i tried "white widow" and didn't find anything but a stupid plant. :8o
http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showpost.php?p=512779&postcount=80
http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showpost.php?p=549652&postcount=86
http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showpost.php?p=809826&postcount=225
http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showpost.php?p=817909&postcount=246
http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showpost.php?p=831743&postcount=263
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thanks! you guys are always around to help me when i hit a brick wall:wall: and act retarded!!
thanks again man! very interesting!
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buthus was having trouble getting the babies to hatch out, iirc
Hi to all.
Your talking about the white widow, that's L. pallidus
I have one at home.
And they indeed need a 3 months hibernation.
Next spring am gonna try to breed with her.
They arn't great eaters, so that's a bit tricky.
But you can find them for sale.
I bought mine from a german guy and he send her with some others spiders to me.
Greetings,
Chaim
Your talking about the white widow, that's L. pallidus
I have one at home.
And they indeed need a 3 months hibernation.
Next spring am gonna try to breed with her.
They arn't great eaters, so that's a bit tricky.
But you can find them for sale.
I bought mine from a german guy and he send her with some others spiders to me.
Greetings,
Chaim
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My ears were ringing.
Cool (pun intended) to see others figuring out that some of these species really need some down/cold time. I had troubles suddenly start around the time I finished insulating my room (made it way to stable! ) and during the very static heat wave we had. Ended up experimenting with the kitchen fridge. (BTW... a fantastic subject of which to base an argument with your GF/wife on ...try it man, im telling ya ...latros in the fridge. )
I didnt try any for more than a couple weeks. I did see some improvement with regards to some of the issues (lack of web building, crazy enclosure/cup escape attempts, feeding problems, mating issues ..etc) BUT.. It didnt save the species that I had that were in trouble. Not enough down/cold time and/or too little to late ??...maybe, maybe, maybe ...gotta save up the invert budget and do it all again ...more knowledge, stricter planning ...and some damn note-taking for crying out loud.
Big, important question!
When during the spiders life are you giving them winter? After mating? ..before mating?... based on actual season? only adults? etc. ??
BTW.. Native US (NA) latros need this downtime also.
Variolus ..obvious. They are a confusing specie and I believe that is the main reason why. The males have a large body mass, the specie is comparably slow to mature, mating is never a sure thing ..etc, etc.
Side note..
Ive watched hesperus hunt at just above freezing and react to web jiggle a couple degrees below. IMO they are the ultimate widow ..evolving to break the rules.
Cool (pun intended) to see others figuring out that some of these species really need some down/cold time. I had troubles suddenly start around the time I finished insulating my room (made it way to stable!
) and during the very static heat wave we had. Ended up experimenting with the kitchen fridge. (BTW... a fantastic subject of which to base an argument with your GF/wife on ...try it man, im telling ya ...latros in the fridge. )I didnt try any for more than a couple weeks. I did see some improvement with regards to some of the issues (lack of web building, crazy enclosure/cup escape attempts, feeding problems, mating issues ..etc) BUT.. It didnt save the species that I had that were in trouble. Not enough down/cold time and/or too little to late ??...maybe, maybe, maybe ...gotta save up the invert budget and do it all again ...more knowledge, stricter planning ...and some damn note-taking for crying out loud.
Big, important question!
When during the spiders life are you giving them winter? After mating? ..before mating?... based on actual season? only adults? etc. ??
BTW.. Native US (NA) latros need this downtime also.
Variolus ..obvious. They are a confusing specie and I believe that is the main reason why. The males have a large body mass, the specie is comparably slow to mature, mating is never a sure thing ..etc, etc.
Side note..
Ive watched hesperus hunt at just above freezing and react to web jiggle a couple degrees below. IMO they are the ultimate widow ..evolving to break the rules.
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very interesting! i learn new things all the time! i will be interested in hearing about this as well.My ears were ringing.
Cool (pun intended) to see others figuring out that some of these species really need some down/cold time. I had troubles suddenly start around the time I finished insulating my room (made it way to stable!
I didnt try any for more than a couple weeks. I did see some improvement with regards to some of the issues (lack of web building, crazy enclosure/cup escape attempts, feeding problems, mating issues ..etc) BUT.. It didnt save the species that I had that were in trouble. Not enough down/cold time and/or too little to late ??...maybe, maybe, maybe ...gotta save up the invert budget and do it all again ...more knowledge, stricter planning ...and some damn note-taking for crying out loud.
Big, important question!
When during the spiders life are you giving them winter? After mating? ..before mating?... based on actual season? only adults? etc. ??
BTW.. Native US (NA) latros need this downtime also.
Variolus ..obvious. They are a confusing specie and I believe that is the main reason why. The males have a large body mass, the specie is comparably slow to mature, mating is never a sure thing ..etc, etc.
they are truly amazing, my favorite!
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hi buthus,
many ppl. in Germany have problems with the size of cb L. hesperus - they don´t seem to grow very large here. Again that´s because they do not hibernate them. The guy who is breeding L. pallidus (Chris Nagel) does and has no problems with that species.
many ppl. in Germany have problems with the size of cb L. hesperus - they don´t seem to grow very large here. Again that´s because they do not hibernate them. The guy who is breeding L. pallidus (Chris Nagel) does and has no problems with that species.
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i'm telling you buthus... you are going to end up with a wine fridge full of spiders one of these days
then you can keep periaptus too, so that will be sweet
then you can keep periaptus too, so that will be sweet
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Think small fridge from the goodwill (or craigslist...whatnot) cannibalized and reconfigured for a double paned enclosure/sushi bar type of deal. Basically loose the fridge and keep the gutz... compressor, heat exchange pipes, expansion valve and refrigerant.i'm telling you buthus... you are going to end up with a wine fridge full of spiders one of these days
then you can keep periaptus too, so that will be sweet
Would be REALLY "cool" if one could seal the panes and fill with argon.
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I'm actually getting ready to try the wine chiller for my bishopi...I'm thinking a couple of months at 50 F.i'm telling you buthus... you are going to end up with a wine fridge full of spiders one of these days
then you can keep periaptus too, so that will be sweet
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Just curious, why would you chill a bishopi for a couple months at 50?
In Palm Beach and Martin Counties, where the majority of the population occurs, there has never been such a consistent cold spell, and adults of both sexes can be observed all year. Even the Marion County and futher north specimens don't get that kind of weather.