Andean Condor Threats

[darkness975]

This is just sad.

Andean Condors.

In Peru's Blood Festival, It's The Condor Versus The Bull

The condor is tied to the bull's back and they fight it out in an arena. Many Peruvians say it's an important tradition. Conservationists call it another threat to a giant bird already at risk.

www.npr.org

 

[viper69]

Sick people

 

[Tentacle Toast]

This is just sad.

Andean Condors.

In Peru's Blood Festival, It's The Condor Versus The Bull

The condor is tied to the bull's back and they fight it out in an arena. Many Peruvians say it's an important tradition. Conservationists call it another threat to a giant bird already at risk.

www.npr.org

Holy moly, I was in Bolivia some years back...that whole thing is such I big deal to them.. it's literally like their July 4th
They don't look at animals in South America like we do in the North, especially with birds. Cockfighting is the biggest thing across all strata of society, it's just part of life down there. You might as well get bent about football up here, LoL. Not condoning it, it's just not.looked at through the same lens.

 

[The Snark]

Formative years proper parental conduct. Self esteem -> Dignity -> Self respect -> Respect of others -> Respect expanded, extended towards animals and environment.
It's not particularly surprising how many people deride or scoff at the above chain effect. When TV and smart phones replace social interaction, demonstrated civil conduct and extended respect, what does the child have to work with and use as a reference? Sadistic cultural rituals come from the environment a child is brought up in, usually taught by example of the parents partaking in those rituals.

 

[goonius]

<<They don't look at animals in South America like we do in the North>>
Agree. Here all animal cruelty is done behind closed doors, in factory farms or laboratories, and laws prevent people from sharing their footage of it under the threat of felony conviction. The USDA quietly massacres half a million native species annually, including endangered ones. The US military dismembers and disembowels thousands of living animals in training exercises, not to mention those destroyed in weapons testing — not that anyone is counting. But there’s no ceremony to it, it’s very matter of fact. Rational, even. And really, it’s much more civilized when no one is watching.

 

[Tentacle Toast]

<<They don't look at animals in South America like we do in the North>>


Agree. Here all animal cruelty is done behind closed doors, in factory farms or laboratories, and laws prevent people from sharing their footage of it under the threat of felony conviction. The USDA quietly massacres half a million native species annually, including endangered ones. The US military dismembers and disembowels thousands of living animals in training exercises, not to mention those destroyed in weapons testing — not that anyone is counting. But there’s no ceremony to it, it’s very matter of fact. Rational, even. And really, it’s much more civilized when no one is watching.

Something to be said for the lack of ceremonious slaughter, suppose. There'd be quite a bit more outrage if as much was wildly known amongst the citizenry here, & it'd result in adopting costly new practices for some, & sharp revenue drops for others (hence the felonies for footage). There'd be a drop off of halal & kosher products, too.

 

[goonius]

Something to be said for the lack of ceremonious slaughter, suppose. There'd be quite a bit more outrage if as much was wildly known amongst the citizenry here, & it'd result in adopting costly new practices for some, & sharp revenue drops for others (hence the felonies for footage). There'd be a drop off of halal & kosher products, too.

True, But our compassion only extends so far as lofty conversations about those actions which have been sequestered from our view, as we chow down on flesh of animals raised in circumstances that wreak havoc on the natural world and all of its myriad creatures, or as we wave flags and celebrate the institutions that destroy our natural world. Our morality boils down to the kind of affluence which affords us distance from the far reach of our actions. It becomes too vulgar for me when people use this to hold our society up as the apex of compassionate and decent society. It is disingenuous, a delusion we have the luxury of because we are simply more disconnected.

 

[Tentacle Toast]

True, But our compassion only extends so far as lofty conversations about those actions which have been sequestered from our view, as we chow down on flesh of animals raised in circumstances that wreak havoc on the natural world and all of its myriad creatures, or as we wave flags and celebrate the institutions that destroy our natural world. Our morality boils down to the kind of affluence which affords us distance from the far reach of our actions. It becomes too vulgar for me when people use this to hold our society up as the apex of compassionate and decent society. It is disingenuous, a delusion we have the luxury of because we are simply more disconnected.

Hmmm. Well i certainly appreciate your stance, I don't feel I'm in any position personally to chastise those living an omnivorous lifestyle (the bulk of the population) that can't afford to fulfill their dietary requirements as ethically as those if us who can afford to. Right now, I'm fortunate enough to source mostly locally farmed meats. There are obviously exceptions, but everything I put in the table is as ethical as it can be... it's also the best quality. There's certainly nothing wrong with the many shades of vegetarianism, but I'm not inclined to see people who can't afford the "good stuff" to be punished by having it thrust upon them, nor do I see them as hypocrites for having no choice in sustaining their omnivorous habits how best they can, while simultaneously being disgusted by the "how" of it all. Industrialization & outsourcing of our farming has left them no choice. For those that do see & understand this, good for them... perhaps one day they'll be able to leave that behind as well. As far as being "disingenuous" about it, personally, I see bludgeoning them because of their relatively stuck position as laughably sanctimonious; to imply that someone who ate a chicken at dinner from a factory farm is somehow morally on par with someone who fights chickens for sport is asinine at best. Contradictorily, though, cultural practices that go back centuries aren't necessarily justification for an animal's ill treatment, but there's also generally a reverence for them that would fulfill your own ethical ideals but for their circumstance of birth. You seem to be of the position that we're better than other animals (I don't know if you've ever watch a David Attenborough special, but animals are rather cruel to other animals, to the fullest of their capacity), whereas I see us as animals above all else; we've just mastered the space better.

 

[goonius]

Hmmm. Well i certainly appreciate your stance, I don't feel I'm in any position personally to chastise those living an omnivorous lifestyle (the bulk of the population) that can't afford to fulfill their dietary requirements as ethically as those if us who can afford to. Right now, I'm fortunate enough to source mostly locally farmed meats. There are obviously exceptions, but everything I put in the table is as ethical as it can be... it's also the best quality. There's certainly nothing wrong with the many shades of vegetarianism, but I'm not inclined to see people who can't afford the "good stuff" to be punished by having it thrust upon them, nor do I see them as hypocrites for having no choice in sustaining their omnivorous habits how best they can. Industrialization & outsourcing of our farming has left them no choice. For those that do see & understand this, good for them... perhaps one day they'll be able to leave that behind as well. As far as being "disingenuous" about it, personally, I see bludgeoning them because of their relatively stuck position as laughably sanctimonious; to imply that someone who ate a chicken at dinner from a factory farm is somehow morally on par with someone who fights chickens for sport is asinine at best. Contradictorily, though, cultural practices that go back centuries aren't necessarily justification for an animal's ill treatment, but there's also generally a reverence for them that would fulfill your own ethical ideals but for their circumstance of birth. You seem to be of the position that we're better than other animals (I don't know if you've ever watch a David Attenborough special, but animals are rather cruel to other animals, to the fullest of their capacity), whereas I see us as animals above all else; we've just mastered the space better.

You’ve missed my point. My issue was with the statement that North Americans necessarily have a more ethical view or approach to animals than South Americans. My point is not about individual lifestyles per se (though perhaps I didn’t frame that well enough in my last comment) but with a mindset that puts the culture of North Americans on a pedestal above all others. I think that is disingenuous.

 

[Tentacle Toast]

You’ve completely missed my point. My issue was with the statement that North Americans necessarily have a more ethical view or approach to animals than South Americans.

As you too, have missed my retort, friend...no worries, something is lost in text that isn't in a face to face conversation, & it seems we're in overall agreement with one another. Be well, Goonius

 

[goonius]

As you too, have missed my retort, friend...no worries, something is lost in text that isn't in a face to face conversation, & it seems we're in overall agreement with one another. Be well, Goonius

Fair enough. That does happen with online conversation. Best to you also.