𝘗𝘢𝘮𝘱𝘩𝘰𝘣𝘦𝘵𝘦𝘶𝘴 𝘷𝘦𝘴𝘱𝘦𝘳𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘶𝘴 - who has one and ‘which one’ do you have?

[antinous]

Not surprisingly, there’s two species being labeled as 𝘗𝘢𝘮𝘱𝘩𝘰𝘣𝘦𝘵𝘦𝘶𝘴 𝘷𝘦𝘴𝘱𝘦𝘳𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘶𝘴 (on birdspiders and other websites). One looks like your traditional Ecuadorian Pampho and the other looks like a Peruvian species (more similar to what we know as 𝘗. 𝘱𝘦𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘪 in the hobby, which isn’t the true one). It’s been a while I’ve been on here so I’m unsure if we’re allowed to post links, but I can PM them if needed/interesting.

Was wondering, which one would be the ‘real’ one (if anybody knows) and is the ‘real’ one even in the hobby? Would love to see what everyone has labeled as a 𝘗. 𝘷𝘦𝘴𝘱𝘦𝘳𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘶𝘴 as well.

@c.h.esteban - maybe you would know?

 

[viper69]

Love the italics in the title!

 

[AphonopelmaTX]

It’s been a while I’ve been on here so I’m unsure if we’re allowed to post links, but I can PM them if needed/interesting.

Links to images on other websites are perfectly fine. The rule is to not take an image, or screenshots, from another website and reupload it on this one without the permission of the owner which needs to be stated in the post if given.

 

[8 legged]

Links to images on other websites are perfectly fine. The rule is to not take an image, or screenshots, from another website and reupload it on this one without the permission of the owner which needs to be stated in the post if given.

P. sp. vespertinus:

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• 8 legged
• May 2, 2021

Pamphobeteus vespertinus

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• 8 legged
• Apr 1, 2021

P. vespertinus (juvenile) one week after molt...

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[antinous]

Thanks for sharing @8 legged !

Here are the links to the ‘other’ one:

The Tarantula Gallery - birdspidersCH

wonderful tarantula (Theraphosidae) images curated by arachnologist Rick C. West. Hundreds of tarantula pictures of well-known and incredibly rare species

www.birdspiders.com

The Tarantula Gallery - birdspidersCH

wonderful tarantula (Theraphosidae) images curated by arachnologist Rick C. West. Hundreds of tarantula pictures of well-known and incredibly rare species

www.birdspiders.com

The Tarantula Gallery - birdspidersCH

wonderful tarantula (Theraphosidae) images curated by arachnologist Rick C. West. Hundreds of tarantula pictures of well-known and incredibly rare species

www.birdspiders.com

Pamphobeteus vespertinus mature male

We are North East Tarantula Breeders Group. Experienced breeders of tarantula spiders. Spiderlings, juvenile and adult tarantulas for sale by internet or by special order and delivery local Herp shows, Long Island, White Plains, NY and Hamburg, PA

www.net-bug.net

As you can see, they’re quite different than the ones you normally see in the hobby.

 

[8 legged]

All I can say about this is that my animals had different colors over the course of their moulting.

 

[c.h.esteban]

@antinous
i´m afraid i cant solve the questions fully.

At the beginning some notes to the species.
SIMON described the species vespertinus just by a single male, which was collected "near" Quito by M. A. Cousin and distinguished it from augusti by the embolus with a lanceolet shape.

Later SCHMIDT "described" a female from the "western lowland" of Ecuador as vespertinus and he show also a picture of the male bulb.

Pamphobeteus sp. from Ecuador (including pet trade)
None of the so called "vespertinus" and also other Pamphobeteus sp. from Ecuador, which i have examine, matches with the bulb of SIMON´s typ.

Pamphobeteus sp. from PERU (pictures in the links above)
I cant say some something about the specimens at the pictures without any examination.
Other specimens from Peru that was declarated as "P. petersi" (and belongs really into the Pamphobeteus genus) has a very slender embolus also far from SIMON´s type.

Pamphobeteus sp. identified by SCHMIDT as vespertinus
The matrial that he use was deposit at the SMF.
After a examinition i can also say that the bulb does not match with SIMON´s type and his drawing is very strange.


Pamphobeteus "vespertinum" from pet trade