WARNING-California AB1122 Hearing on Wednesday 5/6/09

[Loudog760]

From USARK:

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WARNING-California AB1122 Hearing on Wednesday 5/6/09

Time to get back to work and flex a little Grass Roots Muscle. The Humane Society of the United States has a bill, AB1122, up for hearing before the CA General Assembly Appropriations Committee this Wednesday. This bill seeks to BAN the sale of animals that are NOT "traditionally" sold through pet shops. This would include many different animals INCLUDING Herps. This is an attempt to end ALL Reptile Shows and "face to face" sales that are the basis for much of how the middle and high end of our market distributes animals. It would eliminate almost ALL sales except from pet shops. Reptile Shows and open air auctions/sales would come to an end in CA.

To help, fill out this form and it will be emailed to all the committee members and call!

http://usark.org/campaign.php?id=6

Phone List:

Kevin de Leon - Chair Dem-45 (916) 319-2045
Jim Nielsen - Vice Chair Rep-2 (916) 319-
Tom Ammiano Dem-13 (916) 319-2013
Charles M. Calderon Dem-58 (916) 319-2058
Mike Davis Dem-48 (916) 319-2048
Michael D. Duvall Rep-72 (916) 319-2072
Felipe Fuentes Dem-39 (916) 319-2039
Isadore Hall III Dem-52 (916) 319-2052
Diane L. Harkey Rep-73 916) 319-2073
Jeff Miller Rep-71 (916) 319-2071
John A. P�rez Dem-46 (916) 319-2046
Curren D. Price Jr. Dem-51 (916) 319-2051
Nancy Skinner Dem-14 (916) 319-2014
Jose Solorio Dem-69 (916) 319-2069
Audra Strickland Rep-37 (916) 319-2037
Tom Torlakson Dem-11 (916) 319-2011



Hurry - they are meeting on 5/6

 

[Noexcuse4you]

And this is bad because...????? Do you know how many reptiles are purchased at reptile shows on impulse just because some kid thought it was "cute" and then later ends up on craigslist?

 

[ThomasH]

Actually most impulse purchases come from petshops, which under this bill would still be completely legal. Impusle buyers usually don't take the time and forethought to look up the local reptile show. Plus herp shows are good for the economy and are nice get togethers for people like each other that normally wouldn't get to meet in person. Nothing is wrong with herp shows and banning them would be completely asinine.

TBH

 

[Noexcuse4you]

I also read the bill and this applies to outdoor events. I don't think its aimed at reptile shows. Its basically stopping people from selling animals randomly on the side of the road. A reptile show is a specific event that encompasses pet shops from around the country which would not fall under this bill.

 

[ThomasH]

I also read the bill and this applies to outdoor events. I don't think its aimed at reptile shows. Its basically stopping people from selling animals randomly on the side of the road. A reptile show is a specific event that encompasses pet shops from around the country which would not fall under this bill.

Too slippery of a slope for me. I wouldn't take the risk of it passing. Plus I've bought quality animals from random breeders that weren't reptile expo vendors or pet shop people. This will hurt the economy a little. Besides, how can you trust a state that has banned ferrets, tried people for random consenting pornographic actions, and other stupid crap.
EDIT: This bill is also aimed at banning any nontraditional pet.
TBH

 

[pitbulllady]

This bill not only prohibits the SALE of animals in places outside of pet shops, but also prohibits the EXIBITION of ALL animals in public, period. This not only will shut down all reptile and arachnid sales in CA, but also will put an end to all dog shows, such as the AKC shows and agility trials shown on TV, all horse shows, all cat shows, and the sale of poultry and livestock at farmers markets, county fairs and livestock auctions. In other words, it would end the sale of all animals outside of pet shops or private homes, and would end the public display of all animals outside of AZA-accredited zoos or aquariums. There is no way that anyone but the most ardent AR supporter can NOT see how this is a bad thing.

And, as for buying animals from private homes, a mandatory spay-neuter bill is also up for a vote, affecting cats and dogs, while ANOTHER bill would prohibit anyone from selling puppies or dogs that come from commercial breeders. Basically, it's the intent of the HSUS to leave people wanting a dog or cat no choice but to adopt a spayed/neutered animal from a shelter, effectively monopolizing dogs and cats, while essentially banning everything else. Pet shops would be limited only to selling "animals traditionally available through pet shops", and can only sell dogs or cats that have already been spayed/neutered, and did not come from commercial breeders, but since hobby breeders cannot afford to pay the fees needed to maintain a breeder's permit in most CA cities or counties, that leaves only shelter animals, or mail order "exotics" from other states...unless HR699 rears its ugly head again. HSUS definitely is on a roll when it comes to anti-animal owner/breeder/seller bills this year, and since so many people only see their little corner of the world, in terms of not being concerned for those who breed/own/sell OTHER kinds of animals besides theirs, many of these will pass into law, incrementally removing every last right we have to own the animals of our choice.

pitbulllady

 

[sick4x4]

California AB1122
California's Assembly Bill 1122 (AB1122) makes it a crime to sell, display or offer for sale a live animal in various public places. As introduced this bill adds provisions to the anti-cruelty laws making it a crime to sell, trade, barter, display, or offer for sale, trade, or barter, or give away as part of a commercial transaction a live animal on any street, highway, public right-of-way, commercial parking lot, or at any outdoor special sale, swap meet, flea market, parking lot sale, carnival, or boardwalk.

expos and shows as defined in the literature are exempt????
????????????????????

 

[Noexcuse4you]

This bill not only prohibits the SALE of animals in places outside of pet shops, but also prohibits the EXIBITION of ALL animals in public, period. This not only will shut down all reptile and arachnid sales in CA, but also will put an end to all dog shows, such as the AKC shows and agility trials shown on TV, all horse shows, all cat shows, and the sale of poultry and livestock at farmers markets, county fairs and livestock auctions. In other words, it would end the sale of all animals outside of pet shops or private homes, and would end the public display of all animals outside of AZA-accredited zoos or aquariums. There is no way that anyone but the most ardent AR supporter can NOT see how this is a bad thing.

And, as for buying animals from private homes, a mandatory spay-neuter bill is also up for a vote, affecting cats and dogs, while ANOTHER bill would prohibit anyone from selling puppies or dogs that come from commercial breeders. Basically, it's the intent of the HSUS to leave people wanting a dog or cat no choice but to adopt a spayed/neutered animal from a shelter, effectively monopolizing dogs and cats, while essentially banning everything else. Pet shops would be limited only to selling "animals traditionally available through pet shops", and can only sell dogs or cats that have already been spayed/neutered, and did not come from commercial breeders, but since hobby breeders cannot afford to pay the fees needed to maintain a breeder's permit in most CA cities or counties, that leaves only shelter animals, or mail order "exotics" from other states...unless HR699 rears its ugly head again. HSUS definitely is on a roll when it comes to anti-animal owner/breeder/seller bills this year, and since so many people only see their little corner of the world, in terms of not being concerned for those who breed/own/sell OTHER kinds of animals besides theirs, many of these will pass into law, incrementally removing every last right we have to own the animals of our choice.

pitbulllady

Wrong. Did you read the bill? First of all, livestock auctions are EXEMPT. Second, where do you see where it says dog and cat shows are prohibited? Do you see dog and cat shows on the side of the road? in the flea market? in a parking lot? Where do you see it say "private homes"? I think you need to review the bill a little further...

 

[Pacmaster]

Why doesnt everybody actually read the thing before they fall into the mass-hysteria?

They want to stop things like carnivals giving away goldfish as prizes, and the low-lifes that bring 200 chickens to a fleamarket in the back of a van . . .

I think this would be a good thing, except it will only give the backers more ammo for next years federal bill . . .

Reptiles and shows will not fall under this bill.
And it specifically states that exhibitions dedicated to the selling of livestock do not apply.
What are snakes, lizards, T, etc, to a dealer/breeder . . . live stock!

I would put a link up, but I think everyone just needs to go read the whole thing before they start panicking . . .

 

[Loudog760]

I didn't know that. I just posted what USARK said but still I really don't trust them. IMO this will get worse and they might push for more.

 

[ThomasH]

Why doesnt everybody actually read the thing before they fall into the mass-hysteria?

They want to stop things like carnivals giving away goldfish as prizes, and the low-lifes that bring 200 chickens to a fleamarket in the back of a van . . .

I think this would be a good thing, except it will only give the backers more ammo for next years federal bill . . .

Reptiles and shows will not fall under this bill.
And it specifically states that exhibitions dedicated to the selling of livestock do not apply.
What are snakes, lizards, T, etc, to a dealer/breeder . . . live stock!

I would put a link up, but I think everyone just needs to go read the whole thing before they start panicking . . .

OH MY GOD DUDE! DO WE REALLY NEED A KINDERGARTEN VOCAB LESSON?
Livestock - the horses, cattle, sheep, and other useful animals kept or raised on a farm or ranch.
That does not include any nondomestics at all! Reptile shows are legally classified as swap meets and under this provision they will be banned.
Our Beloved Expos WILL Be Banned! Why else would USARK make a fuss? Really folks? Interpretive reading is where it's at bud! :clap:
TBH

 

[EightLeggedFrea]

What's the news on the bill now? Has the hearing ended?

 

[ThomasH]

News probably won't get by fast enough to know today.
TBH

 

[sick4x4]

OH MY GOD DUDE! DO WE REALLY NEED A KINDERGARTEN VOCAB LESSON?
Livestock - the horses, cattle, sheep, and other useful animals kept or raised on a farm or ranch.
That does not include any nondomestics at all! Reptile shows are legally classified as swap meets and under this provision they will be banned.
Our Beloved Expos WILL Be Banned! Why else would USARK make a fuss? Really folks? Interpretive reading is where it's at bud! :clap:
TBH

i posted the definition in my above post, where is it stated or expressed or understood that an reptile expo is classified or legally defined as a swap meet????? someone isn't taking their own advise....legally speaking, "a reptile expo" is a sponsored event usally at a private venue not a street corner or swap meet.....

i and I'm sure many others would be hard pressed to encourage buying back ally animals and with this bill, makes the seller more accountable which is IMO, about time...

 

[ThomasH]

i posted the definition in my above post, where is it stated or expressed or understood that an reptile expo is classified or legally defined as a swap meet????? someone isn't taking their own advise....legally speaking, "a reptile expo" is a sponsored event usally at a private venue not a street corner or swap meet.....

i and I'm sure many others would be hard pressed to encourage buying back ally animals and with this bill, makes the seller more accountable which is IMO, about time...

Where is it classified that it isn't? It only gave exeptions to pet shops and live stock auctions [Which for god sake people, has nothing to do with exotics or even dogs and cats for that matter!] I have commonly heard people term herp shows as reptile swaps. Doesn't matter though. There was only an exemption/inferred white list anyway so herp shows don't have to fit in any of those terms to be banned. Back ally animal buying wouldn't be stopped by a regulation. Therefore this bill will only ban the best.
TBH

 

[sick4x4]

you stated that "legally" a reptile expo is a swap meet....im asking where is it stated that or where is it understood to mean that???? the bill is pretty specific in what areas it whats to enact law. so your understood terminology isn't warranted. ban the best of what????

and for the record "dude" with the kindergarten lesson...The term "livestock" is nebulous and may be defined narrowly or broadly. On a broader view, livestock refers to any breed or population of animal kept by humans for a useful and or commercial purpose. This can mean domestic animals, semi-domestic animals, or captive wild animals. Semi-domesticated refers to animals which are only lightly domesticated or of disputed status. These populations may also be in the process of domestication.... so before your foot in mouth disease starts to spread try being alittle nicer, we all make mistakes .......

wayne

 

[ThomasH]

you stated that "legally" a reptile expo is a swap meet....im asking where is it stated that or where is it understood to mean that???? the bill is pretty specific in what areas it whats to enact law. so your understood terminology isn't warranted. ban the best of what????

and for the record "dude" with the kindergarten lesson...The term "livestock" is nebulous and may be defined narrowly or broadly. On a broader view, livestock refers to any breed or population of animal kept by humans for a useful and or commercial purpose. This can mean domestic animals, semi-domestic animals, or captive wild animals. Semi-domesticated refers to animals which are only lightly domesticated or of disputed status. These populations may also be in the process of domestication.... so before your foot in mouth disease starts to spread try being alittle nicer, we all make mistakes .......

wayne

The bill states that basically selling of animals in the state is illegal unless through pet shop, mail order or livestock auction.
I meant ban the best of sales such as in person but through people who follow and recognize law deeming them to be respectable.
Google it, wiki it, look it up in a dictionary, ask a farmer. All of these references would state a few domesticated farm animals. I've never EVER heard anyone describe live stock as including nondomestics.
TBH

 

[Noexcuse4you]

The bill states that basically selling of animals in the state is illegal unless through pet shop, mail order or livestock auction.
I meant ban the best of sales such as in person but through people who follow and recognize law deeming them to be respectable.
Google it, wiki it, look it up in a dictionary, ask a farmer. All of these references would state a few domesticated farm animals. I've never EVER heard anyone describe live stock as including nondomestics.
TBH

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/09-10/bill/asm/ab_1101-1150/ab_1122_cfa_20090505_172432_asm_comm.html

4)Does not apply to events held by 4-H Clubs, Junior Farmers
Clubs or Future Farmers Clubs, state or county fairs,
livestock consignment sales, public animal control agencies or
shelters, rescue groups, federally regulated stockyards, or
regulated live animal markets

 

[ThomasH]

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/09-10/bill/asm/ab_1101-1150/ab_1122_cfa_20090505_172432_asm_comm.html

4)Does not apply to events held by 4-H Clubs, Junior Farmers
Clubs or Future Farmers Clubs, state or county fairs,
livestock consignment sales, public animal control agencies or
shelters, rescue groups, federally regulated stockyards, or
regulated live animal markets

What does that even mean?
TBH

 

[sick4x4]

The bill states that basically selling of animals in the state is illegal unless through pet shop, mail order or livestock auction.
I meant ban the best of sales such as in person but through people who follow and recognize law deeming them to be respectable.
Google it, wiki it, look it up in a dictionary, ask a farmer. All of these references would state a few domesticated farm animals. I've never EVER heard anyone describe live stock as including nondomestics.
TBH

encourage going to a reputable breeder or shop or expo or convention is all i see this bill doing.... how is that a bad thing???? accountability hopefully:clap: ...

ow by the way in the new world, the term "livestock" incuncubises a wide range of animals including non-domestics or animals intended for commercial sale....its a broader term than just cows, pigs and the such....but i guess that might be a big city vs small town kinda thingy huh???

wayne