Spider ID

[Venom]

Actually, I believe #4 is Micrommata rosea.

#5 looks like a male Schizocosa. ( I don't know if you have S. ocreata in Europe...but it's very similar to that).

#2 of the second batch is also a Schizocosa, probably the female of the same species as your male above.

#1 of the second batch could be a Uloborus sp.

 

[revilo]

hi,

wont tell too much because im not really good in the small lycosids and it's really hard with pics only...

...but to me no. 2 looks more like pardosa amentata.

and no. 1 is maybe episinus sp. (e. angulatus).

cheers, oliver

 

[buthus]

u oughta get yerself one of those big books on spiders. :?

 

[Tarantula_Hawk]

Micrommata rosea is a junior synonym of Micrommata virescens. We dont have Schizocosa in Europe, its a male Pardosa as revilo said.
From the latest batch:
1) revilo is right, Episinus sp. E. angulatus is apparently absent from Slovenia though, so i'd leave it to genus level.
2) Alopecosa sp. (eye pattern is different in Pardosa).
3) Clubiona sp.

 

[Venom]

World Spider Catalog confirms that M. rosea is a junior syonym.

Now, I know all about variability...but honestly, I can't see how this:

http://www.pavuky.sk/app_images/photogallery/heteropodidae_02.jpg

and THIS:

http://www.naturfoto.cz/fotografie/krasensky/maloocka-smaragdova-2008_047.jpg

are even remotely the same spider. Some taxonomist was smoking funny stuff...


And Schizocosa krynickii is in the Ukraine.

 

[revilo]

hi,

to venom : the first is adult (the green one), the other not...

to tarantula hawk : are you sure ?
i thought the pme's of alopecosa are more forward looking and the pme's of pardosa are looking more in a "sidewayforward" direction.
hope you know what i mean, can't explain good in english.

to buthus : you didn't ?

cheers, oli

 

[revilo]

hi,

to explain a little bit better...

pme's of alopecosa are closer together and more in the middle (not so much on the edge of carapace) and smaller in relativity to the "head"region.
additional i think that in case of an alopecosa you should see the basal chelizerae in this view, because they are bigger than in pardosa.
and the complete carapace shape is different - more square on area of eyes in alopecosa - this one seems to round at all.

but...without a frontal shoot of "face" i'm not 100% sure with genus - just my minds...

cheers, oliver

 

[ZergFront]

Another request for id.

Salticid

Platycryptus.

 

[revilo]

hi,

marpissa muscosa i guess.

regards, oliver

 

[Tarantula_Hawk]

Hey revilo, sorry for the late reply.
Anyways the fact that Alopecosa have closer pm's is exactly why i think this one is an Alopecosa. To me, they seem closer to how we find them in Pardosa.
Here are some pictures:
Pardosa:
http://www.jorgenlissner.dk/images\Pictures\Pardosa_bifasciata_female_JL5060_10593.JPG
http://www.jorgenlissner.dk/images\Pictures\Pardosa_sphagnicola_male_JL4911_7636.JPG
http://www.jorgenlissner.dk/images\Pictures\Pardosa_monticola_female_JL5471_18155.JPG

Alopecosa:
http://www.jorgenlissner.dk/images\Pictures\Alopecosa_trabalis_juvenile_JL5056_11479.JPG
http://www.jorgenlissner.dk/images\Pictures\Alopecosa_cursor_female_JL5380_16476.JPG
http://www.jorgenlissner.dk/images\Pictures\Alopecosa_cursor_female_JL4714_6240.JPG

I dont know, but to me they look more like what we see in Alopecosa.
Im not sure about the chelicerae being more visible in Alopecosa. But to me also the general hairyness and lack of the typical Pardosa spines on the legs make it Alopecosa; additionally the patch of black and yellow hair on the anterior part of the abdomen is typical for all Alopecosa, and i have never seen it on Pardosa.
Fact is, the picture is too far away, and we dont have one from the front view so there will always be some doubt.

Agree with you on the last one being Marpissa muscosa. I think most people dont get that all these pictures are taken in Europe.

 

[revilo]

Hey revilo, sorry for the late reply.
Anyways the fact that Alopecosa have closer pm's is exactly why i think this one is an Alopecosa. To me, they seem closer to how we find them in Pardosa.
Here are some pictures:
Pardosa:
http://www.jorgenlissner.dk/images\Pictures\Pardosa_bifasciata_female_JL5060_10593.JPG
http://www.jorgenlissner.dk/images\Pictures\Pardosa_sphagnicola_male_JL4911_7636.JPG
http://www.jorgenlissner.dk/images\Pictures\Pardosa_monticola_female_JL5471_18155.JPG

Alopecosa:
http://www.jorgenlissner.dk/images\Pictures\Alopecosa_trabalis_juvenile_JL5056_11479.JPG
http://www.jorgenlissner.dk/images\Pictures\Alopecosa_cursor_female_JL5380_16476.JPG
http://www.jorgenlissner.dk/images\Pictures\Alopecosa_cursor_female_JL4714_6240.JPG

I dont know, but to me they look more like what we see in Alopecosa.
Im not sure about the chelicerae being more visible in Alopecosa. But to me also the general hairyness and lack of the typical Pardosa spines on the legs make it Alopecosa; additionally the patch of black and yellow hair on the anterior part of the abdomen is typical for all Alopecosa, and i have never seen it on Pardosa.
Fact is, the picture is too far away, and we dont have one from the front view so there will always be some doubt.

Agree with you on the last one being Marpissa muscosa. I think most people dont get that all these pictures are taken in Europe.

that's what it is...

to the wolfie : hmmm ?! i agree with you in everything you mentioned - this with the patch of yellow and black hair is new to me - but still i see something else by looking on the pic
absolutely possible that i need new glasses LOL

so, like you told for me it's not 100% sure, too - neither pardosa nor alopecosa...

let's call it alopecosa until someone else knows more

cheers, oliver

 

[doom]

Hi,

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[Tarantula_Hawk]

1) Aulonia albimana (Lycosidae)
2 & 4) Steatoda bipunctata (male and juvenile)
3) Steatoda triangulosa
4) another Theridiidae, should be a subadult male Parasteatoda sp.

 

[jsloan]

World Spider Catalog confirms that M. rosea is a junior syonym.

Now, I know all about variability...but honestly, I can't see how this:

http://www.pavuky.sk/app_images/photogallery/heteropodidae_02.jpg

and THIS:

http://www.naturfoto.cz/fotografie/krasensky/maloocka-smaragdova-2008_047.jpg

are even remotely the same spider. Some taxonomist was smoking funny stuff...

The brown/red version of M. virescens is the immature stage. From Roberts (1996), on :

"Spiderlings are straw-colored, often spotted with pink, but are still recognizable by the white rings around the black eyes."

 

[Venom]

The brown/red version of M. virescens is the immature stage. From Roberts (1996), on :

"Spiderlings are straw-colored, often spotted with pink, but are still recognizable by the white rings around the black eyes."

Thank you. I had no idea they were that variable. I thought both were mature stages, lol.

 

[revilo]

hi,

to venom : the first is adult (the green one), the other not...

to tarantula hawk : are you sure ?
i thought the pme's of alopecosa are more forward looking and the pme's of pardosa are looking more in a "sidewayforward" direction.
hope you know what i mean, can't explain good in english.

to buthus : you didn't ?

cheers, oli

buhuu noone recognize me

LOL !!!

 

[Venom]

buhuu noone recognize me

LOL !!!

Lol.

Thank you, revilo.