spider ID pleeze

[loxoscelesfear]

Plenty of big burrowing wolves wandering the forest floor last night. Found this guy, but not sure what it is. At first, I was pumped that it could be Hogna carolinensis. But not convinced. It's a decent size male, maybe the match to the large dark female H. georgicola in my area. Then male Dolomedes even crossed mind. Pics are bad, the abdomen has black spots ventral side, sternum and coxa are black, pedipalps are swollen and jet black. Faint yellow stripe down center of carapace.
Locality, Indiana. Any ideas? SCROLL DOWN FOR CLEARER PHOTOS

 

[Venom]

My first impression was H. carolinensis also. But can you get a clearer picture of the top, especially the abdomen?

 

[toolrick]

Hey there... first of all the pictures aren't good enough to see what it is.
I can see the spider climbing on the plastic conainer???
If that is the case, neither Dolomedes or Wolf spiders can do that. It should be other specimen, but without good pictures it's worthless the try.

Ricardo

 

[loxoscelesfear]

The spider isn't climbing, the container is tipped somewhat. I appreciate the replies! Try to get some better pics soon.

 

[Moltar]

Pretty leggy for a wolf, isn't it? Even for a mm? I'd guess some sort of Dolodomes but I know nothing about their range or anything, just that they look like big, long legged wolf spiders.

 

[toolrick]

@loxoscelesfear.

I am talking about the first picture, not the second one... Please let me know because it seems like it can climb on smooth surfaces.

Ricardo

 

[Moltar]

I think I see ceiling, not wall in the background of that first pic. That could be what he means by "tipped somewhat".

 

[loxoscelesfear]

best i can get pic-wise...it's a friggin' fisher isn't it? i want carolinensis grrrrrrrrrrr

 

[Venom]

That's no fisher!! You have a Carolina!

 

[loxoscelesfear]

DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDDDDDEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!! Really? Awesome! Been searching for a decade and was about to just order a few online. Where is mommie wolf? Soon as the sun sets, head lamp is going on and I am off !! Thanks for the ID.

 

[Venom]

DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDDDDDEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!! Really? Awesome! Been searching for a decade and was about to just order a few online. Where is mommie wolf? Soon as the sun sets, head lamp is going on and I am off !! Thanks for the ID.

Hey, no problem! That's definitely what it is. Just be sure to post pics of momma Carolina when you nab her!! Congrats on the find.

 

[Widowman10]

really? looks NOTHING like my MM carolinensis. i know there are color variations, but... i would still expect there to be at least bands underneath, and maybe orange chelicerae (although in some it's very faint).

nice MM either way.

here's mine for comparison:

 

[toolrick]

Can you take a close picture showing the eye patern?
I am still unsure if it is a wolf.

Ricardo

 

[BiologicalJewels]

What parameters where used in order to determine it was a carolina wolf?
It really doesn't look like any H. carolinensis I've ever seen.


Oscar R

 

[Widowman10]

curious as well as to what was used to decide upon an ID...

 

[toolrick]

I second that.

Ricardo

 

[Venom]

As for the chelicerae, none of the pics even show them.

H. carolinensis has quite a range of coloration variations.

The abdominal pattern matches. The size matches. The geographical location is good. The carapace looks right. Overall tawny color is very much within the carolinensis color palette.

But remember, this is a male. So it's not going to exactly match a female.

 

[jsloan]

The geographical location is good.

What's your source for this? I've checked and couldn't find any reliable evidence or source for H. carolinensis being found in Indiana.

 

[Venom]

You have a reason to think they're not in Indiana? They're pretty much all over the eastern 2/3s of the USA. They have been found in Michigan and Ohio, and so are definitely in the Mid-west.

http://www.marion.ohio-state.edu/SpiderWeb/ProvisionalSpiderList.htm

http://www.canadianarachnology.org/data/spiders/17962

According to Bugguide.net, H. carolinensis is in

AL, AR, CO, CT, DE, FL, GA, IA, IL, IN, KS, LA, MA, MD, ME, MI, MO, MS, NC, NE, NH, NJ, NM, NY, OH, PA, RI, SC, TN, TX, UT, VT, WI; ON, PQ

http://bugguide.net/node/view/3381

 

[jsloan]

Those sources looks good. Thanks.