dragonfire1577
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Little do you guys know that out of frame this centipede has a gun.
This word brings back so many memory. People thought I was brown boxing because they thought I was Canadian. Which I'm not.... I'm Chinese living in Canada .You never got back to me so bought some from Europe. They're coming in a really BIG brown box.
The one instance you refer to is almost certainly the only documented case and the actual cause of death a SECONDARY INFECTION, not venom. A scratch from your own fingernails can result in a secondary infection.Any animal above a certain size can be deadly if you're
Q: Is it possible that a centipede bite could kill?
A: According to the data we have about symptoms* it is certainly possible, although only in extreme cases, but so far it has not been reliably recorded except for perhaps one instance.
Keep in mind that that your speculation that there was a secondary infection is just as undocumented as the claims of lethal bites. Actually, the one actual medical report I saw was of an Egyptian man who died of a bite from what was probably a Scolopendra morsitans, and the symptoms included shock and a shutting down of systems within a very short time. This does not suggest a secondary infection. Possibilities include a hypersensitivity to the venom, severe allergic reaction, pre-existing medical condition, or even a bad reaction to some "home remedy" to the bite.The one instance you refer to is almost certainly the only documented case and the actual cause of death a SECONDARY INFECTION, not venom.
She child died 24hrs later, which seems quick for an infection no?The one instance you refer to is almost certainly the only documented case and the actual cause of death a SECONDARY INFECTION, not venom. A scratch from your own fingernails can result in a secondary infection.
I think a better example would be bites from a copperhead, as opposed to a rattlesnake. Has anyone ever died of a copperhead bite? Not directly. One man died from a heart attack as a result of the stress of being bitten. Probably there are some people out there allergic to Copperhead Venom, but no one has died from a copperhead bite without other medical conditions coming into it.Keep in mind that that your speculation that there was a secondary infection is just as undocumented as the claims of lethal bites. Actually, the one actual medical report I saw was of an Egyptian man who died of a bite from what was probably a Scolopendra morsitans, and the symptoms included shock and a shutting down of systems within a very short time. This does not suggest a secondary infection. Possibilities include a hypersensitivity to the venom, severe allergic reaction, pre-existing medical condition, or even a bad reaction to some "home remedy" to the bite.
A second bite that I was familiar with was a non-lethal but severe reaction to the bite of a Scolopendra heros that resulted in kidney failure. This too was very fast, indicating a venom reaction rather than secondary infection. I do not know how the case turned out in the long run - whether or not the patient recovered kidney function.
We all know that most people bitten by these two species survive and suffer only pain. But that doesn't mean that the venoms can't be lethal to some people. I would suggest that this parallels incidents of snakebite. Lots more people get bitten by rattlesnakes every year in this country (U.S.) than get bitten by centipedes, so there is much more data available. The very large majority of snake bite victims survive, although a small percentage die. There is a tendency to credit survival to medical treatment because most snakebite victims seek medical treatment, and antivenom is widely available and widely used - but some of us do not use antivenom and we survive with much less damage than popular legend would suggest.
That was my point - copperheads are not considered lethal - rattlesnakes are. As with "lethal" centipedes, the lethality is exaggerated, but because a rattlesnake bite CAN be lethal in a small percentage of cases, it is considered potentially lethal. The same with centipedes - in a majority of cases people survive, but there appears to be a small minority of cases which may be lethal. In truth, we don't have enough documented cases in native environments to adequately evaluate the lethality of some of the more potent centipedes. Medical records in rural third world countries are not common.I think a better example would be bites from a copperhead, as opposed to a rattlesnake. Has anyone ever died of a copperhead bite? Not directly.....
No, I read the medical report and case study.Keep in mind that that your speculation that there was a secondary infection is just as undocumented as the claims of lethal bites.
You can find reference to this story of the girl bit in the head in many places, but it is an urban legend older than most anyone on this forum.She child died 24hrs later, which seems quick for an infection no?
That definitely sounds like a reaction to the venom specific to that individual (the man I mean); especially if was likely to be a S. morsitans. Also NatGeo writers publishing bull like this is nothing new. I still remember the Dynastes granti labeled as a goliath beetle in one of their articles.Keep in mind that that your speculation that there was a secondary infection is just as undocumented as the claims of lethal bites. Actually, the one actual medical report I saw was of an Egyptian man who died of a bite from what was probably a Scolopendra morsitans, and the symptoms included shock and a shutting down of systems within a very short time. This does not suggest a secondary infection. Possibilities include a hypersensitivity to the venom, severe allergic reaction, pre-existing medical condition, or even a bad reaction to some "home remedy" to the bite.
A second bite that I was familiar with was a non-lethal but severe reaction to the bite of a Scolopendra heros that resulted in kidney failure. This too was very fast, indicating a venom reaction rather than secondary infection. I do not know how the case turned out in the long run - whether or not the patient recovered kidney function.
We all know that most people bitten by these two species survive and suffer only pain. But that doesn't mean that the venoms can't be lethal to some people. I would suggest that this parallels incidents of snakebite. Lots more people get bitten by rattlesnakes every year in this country (U.S.) than get bitten by centipedes, so there is much more data available. The very large majority of snake bite victims survive, although a small percentage die. There is a tendency to credit survival to medical treatment because most snakebite victims seek medical treatment, and antivenom is widely available and widely used - but some of us do not use antivenom and we survive with much less damage than popular legend would suggest.
that is litterally a heart attack, and i can see that easily happening from the effects of a highly toxic pedeacute myocardial ischemia
Ill take a hit from a western diamond back rattler over a Dehaani any dayI would suggest that this parallels incidents of snakebite
Hives are classically the result of allergic reactions. The first time you are exposed to a foreign protein you will not get an allergic reaction because allergies are basically immune responses gone awry. But repeated exposures can lead to allergies, and allergic reactions tend to increase with exposure. Since you have had previous exposures to dehanni venom and now you showed a fast and serious reaction that might well be an allergic response - I would recommend you take precautions against future bites. A more severe reaction could well include anaphylactic shock, which could be fatal.Welllllll im about 30 hours into getting hit by my (Scolopendra Dehaani) Flame Leg Female, .......... Less than two hours into it i began to notice hives on my face and torso ( this was not the first Dehaani bite ive taken .....
Very true indeed, however i do plan on self envenomations in the near future with less toxic species and slowly move up towards the more toxic asain pedes such as Dehaani etc., in order to try and work up a tolorence. i know its possible and i recognize the risk of a serious and fatal allergic reaction and will take whatever necessary precautions before during and after. but if i die, then yall gonna get some good info that wont be made upSince you have had previous exposures to dehanni venom and now you showed a fast and serious reaction that might well be an allergic response - I would recommend you take precautions against future bites. A more severe reaction could well include anaphylactic shock, which could be fatal.
Why would you do that?Very true indeed, however i do plan on self envenomations in the near future with less toxic species and slowly move up towards the more toxic asain pedes such as Dehaani etc., in order to try and work up a tolorence.
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