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Dachsund, nearly all now have spinal problems galore. Shepherds, and several others, hip displacia very common. The same applies to many horse breeds.I read about this with German Shepherds too how their back legs always look like they are crouched when the older dogs walked straight and now hip problems are common defects.
Dogs aren't working dogs anymore they are pets that are bred to look how we like, like every other kind of domestic animal.
BMK, you hit upon something that very, very few of the anti-purebred dog folks take into consideration: the purpose of dogs in the first place. Until about a century ago, nearly all dog breeds, with the exception of the Toy breeds, were NOT bred primarily as pets, but as working and hunting animals. Dogs whose physical form best allowed them to complete the tasks for which they existed in the first place were allowed to breed and pass along their genes, while those that lacked the physical, mental and behavioral attributes that were best suited for their purposes, were eliminated from the gene pool, usually by culling(killing), at least until surgically eliminating a dog's ability to reproduce became more assessable. Sounds cruel and harsh, but few people could afford to maintain a dog, especially a large dog, simply to have it as a pet, and if it could not perform the duties for which it was bred, it was not kept, period. The change in society from a largely rural, agrarian one to a more urban and industrial one, gave more people "expendable" income, that could be spent on things like pet dogs, rather than working/hunting dogs. At the same time, dog shows started to become fashionable, and dog breed standards were adopted, originally intended to describe the IDEAL specimen based on the purpose for which that breed was created in the first place. At first, dog shows were attended mostly by hunters wanting to showcase the dogs they'd bred, but more and more, drifted away from the working class and more towards the upper class, who lived in cities, did not participate in hunting, herding or other typically rural activities, and as this happened. breeders lost track of their breeds' original functions. Dogs were being bred mostly for cosmetic, rather than functional, appearances. The first dog show judges were themselves hunters or owned real working dogs and understood the "form=function" concept, but as those judges died, and were replaced by younger people who'd never participated in a real hunt of any kind, nor owned livestock, you had all these people judging dogs who were really clueless as to how to interpret a breed standard based on the "form=function" notion. Also, there is a LOT of politics in the dog show world, a lot of "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours", especially in the American Kennel Club and other organizations that permit professional handlers, people who show other people's dogs for a living. I've seen this first-hand, believe me, since I used to show dogs in AKC, and saw many dogs of poor conformation, with obvious health issues, win over sound dogs, simply because the judge was only looking at who was on the OTHER end of the leash. I know one handler who actually paid to put a judges kid through university in exchange for that judge awarding every dog that handler brought into the ring, no matter how poorly-constructed that dog was. That's when I decided that this was NOT the world for me, and started to concentrate exclusively on real working dogs, dogs that could still perform the tasks for which they were bred in the first place.I read about this with German Shepherds too how their back legs always look like they are crouched when the older dogs walked straight and now hip problems are common defects.
Dogs aren't working dogs anymore they are pets that are bred to look how we like, like every other kind of domestic animal.
You are missing the point of my original post, BMK. Purebred dogs are NOT any less healthy than their mongrel counterparts. Most of the documentaries that paint that picture of purebred dogs as fragile and unhealthy by default are funded and produced by people who want to ultimately see the breeding of purebred dogs, and all dogs, actually, eliminated completely. They find the emotional impact of a sickly or defective dog to be an effective tool in getting the general populace to agree with them, that people who breed purebred dogs are horrible people who only care about money, prestige, etc. , that all purebreds are defective, and that mutts are so much better, when in fact they aren't. The problem is not breed standards, but in those who INTERPRET those standards...or ignore them completely. Changing a breed's standard is pointless unless judges are actually going to USE it in the show ring and breeders are actually going to use it as a "blue print", a goal. The German Shepherd standard, for example, already calls for a specimen of that breed to have a STRAIGHT back, but the trend has long been to breed dogs with dramatic, sloping hindquarters because it produces that exaggerated "flying trot" that the show ring judges love, never mind that it also produces dogs that are incapable of doing any of the things that the GSD was intended for.Yeah there is a whole list of health problems modern day breeds have that their former breed standards did not have, its scary dogs are bred knowing they will have defects and people pay a lot of money only to end up with heartbreak when the dog dies or requires very expensive (and usually painful) surgery.
Here is original page for this topic.
http://dogbehaviorscience.wordpress.com/2012/09/29/100-years-of-breed-improvement/
In the UK people are trying to get dog breed standards changed back to their healthier ancestors.
http://www.rspca.org.uk/getinvolved/campaigns/companion/dogwelfare/borntosuffer/health
Here are more health problems for different breeds.
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/epis...d-the-world/selective-breeding-problems/1281/
Pugs have always been a brachycephalic breed, and this can be documented in that Pugs were popular subjects of paintings even in Renaissance times, as you can see in this link: http://doctorbarkman.blogspot.com/2012/06/pug-history-and-vintage-photographs.html . The only "terrier-like" dog in the whole series is William Hogarth's dog, painted in 1754. Toy breeds and breeds that have always been just pets have changed the least of all breeds, because that has always been their function, unlike hunting and working breeds, who, upon finding themselves the unemployment line, being now bred just for looks, and have therefore changed the most, and not for the better. Compare this photo of the German Shepherd, Rin Tin Tin V, descendant of the iconic silver screen canine star, born in 1957: http://www.pages.drexel.edu/~jh939/Class/Images/Rin-Tin-Tin-5-Full-Size.jpg to a photo of a modern show ring GSD, an AKC champion: http://thedogwallpaper.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/german-shepherd-dog-show-11.jpg and note the differences in structure, in a bit over 50 years' time. This is why most police K-9 and military K-9 units no longer use German Shepherds; it's too difficult and expensive to find one physically suited to the demands of the job, so they have turned to less-popular breeds like the Belgian Malinois and Dutch Shepherds, which are more likely to derive to stock still bred to work, not just for looks. The Great Dane of 100 years ago was nearly indistinguishable from the Louisiana Catahoula Leopard Dog, with which it shares a common ancestry, but today 's Danes? I definitely wouldn't want to take one into a swamp on a hog hunt, that's for sure!I was actually talking to some people at the vet office the other day about how pugs used to have long muzzles like terriers. But after tons of breeding it created our common pugs... breathing problems, plus over weight issues. Its sad.