A new Poecilotheria species

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Interesting story!

I especially liked that very last picture ... but were all those spiders those so called "Tiger Spiders"?
 

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Originally posted by Crotalus
A new poec species, Poecilotheria hanumavilasum, have been described.
/Lelle
Technically, it has not been "described" (published). Apparently that will be occur in the next volume of the BTS journal. Actually, I was quite shocked that Andrew mentioned the proposed scientific name in print. That can invalidate a specific epithet (species name). I have a website devoted to the African Bush Vipers, The World Of Atheris, and a book coming out on the same subject. Before Atheris broadleyi was described its author had provided me with a draft of his manuscript only if I ensured him that I would not add the scientific name to my site until the day its official publication in a peer-reviewed journal was released. Otherwise, that species name may have been rejected by the journal. But then, things are different in the world of theraphosids and species are published in journals that are not truly peer-reviewed. That wouldn't fly in the herpetological world. Enough said, I didn't mean to open up this can of worms. ;)
 
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Originally posted by dennis
Interesting story!

I especially liked that very last picture ... but were all those spiders those so called "Tiger Spiders"?
Yes all were pictures of the new species
I guess "Tiger spider" is a translation of the local name for poecs.

/Lelle
 

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Originally posted by Crotalus
I guess "Tiger spider" is a translation of the local name for poecs.
Yes, indeed. The local name for what most Westerners refer to as "ornamental tarantulas" is tiger spider, a name that I really like.
 

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Re: Re: A new Poecilotheria species

Originally posted by SpiderShoppe
Technically, it has not been "described". Apparently that will be occur in the next volume of the BTS journal. Actually, I was quite shocked that Andrew mentioned the proposed scientific name in print. That can invalidate a species. I have a website devoted to the African Bush Vipers, The World Of Atheris, and a book coming out on the same subject. Before Atheris broadley was described its author had provided me with a draft of his manuscript only if I ensured him that I would not add the scientific name to my site until the day its official publication in a peer-reviewed journal was released. Otherwise, that species name may have been rejected by the journal. But then, things are different in the world of theraphosids and species are published in journals that are not truly peer-reviewed. That wouldn't fly in the herpetological world. Enough said, I didn't mean to open up this can of worms. ;)
I guess the description work have already been done, its just not published yet (the new journal are probably already finished and waiting to be printed)
As for herp world and describe species, there are a aussie guy that describes "new" snakes species over and over. Same thing there.

/Lelle
 

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Re: Re: Re: A new Poecilotheria species

Originally posted by Crotalus
As for herp world and describe species, there are a aussie guy that describes "new" snakes species over and over. Same thing there.
Yes, and I believe he (Mr. Hoser) is publishing his taxonomic "beliefs" in non-scientific popular magazines that are not peer-reviewed. And if you check the EMBL Database I don't believe that many of his taxa are officially recognized.
 
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Originally posted by SpiderShoppe
Yes, and I believe he (Mr. Hoser) is publishing his taxonomic "beliefs" in non-scientific popular magazines that are not peer-reviewed. And if you check the EMBL Database I don't believe that many of his taxa are officially recognized.
Thats true. So whats your opinion about this new poec?

/Lelle
 

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about peer rewiew

From BTS website about peer rewiew:

"Taxonomic papers are peer-group reviewed prior to publication and the Editor reserves the right to decline weak manuscripts."

/Lelle
 

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Originally posted by Crotalus
From BTS website about peer rewiew:

"Taxonomic papers are peer-group reviewed prior to publication and the Editor reserves the right to decline weak manuscripts."

/Lelle

For the record, I wasn't suggesting that taxonomic papers in the BTS journal are not peer-reviewed. Peter Kirk published both P. pederseni and P. smithi there.
 

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I also wonder what your opinion is Michael. This
is really interesting and thanks for posting the
site! I was surprised about the picture with the
guy having the Tiger spider on his hand. I
guess you guys are pretty brave. Wonder if
the spider had ever encountered a human.
The folks there in India, wonder what they felt
about the interest in the spider or if they
are thinking certain people reincarnate as
tarantulas. I am just thrilled to be able to
see these pcitures this way. Thanks again!
Sharon
 

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Originally posted by cricket54
I also wonder what your opinion is Michael. This
is really interesting and thanks for posting the
site! I was surprised about the picture with the
guy having the Tiger spider on his hand. I
guess you guys are pretty brave. Wonder if
the spider had ever encountered a human.
The folks there in India, wonder what they felt
about the interest in the spider or if they
are thinking certain people reincarnate as
tarantulas. I am just thrilled to be able to
see these pcitures this way. Thanks again!
Sharon
If you look at the caption on the photo of the spider in the hand you will see that it was a dead specimen.

As for my opinion, I have no more information than any of you and will have to look forward to Mr. Smith's paper in the next BTS journal. As a Poecilotheria "specialist" I am excited about a new species and the sanctuary.
 

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Sorry, I missed the part somehow that the guy
was holding a dead tiger tarantula. Its just
exciting all around when any new spiecies is
found isn't it?
Sharon
 

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Re: Re: Re: about peer rewiew

Originally posted by Steve Nunn
Please keep in mind that this is all personal opinion, I have nothing against the BTS at all, but this seems a little strange for them to say the least. I know Andy quite well, we were going to review some Asian material together, but this is something that HAS to be questioned....

Cheers,
Steve
Steve, I'll be seeing Andy on the 28th at the BTS lectures, anything you want passed on and so on, PM me :)
 

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Re: Re: Re: about peer rewiew

Originally posted by SpiderShoppe
For the record, I wasn't suggesting that taxonomic papers in the BTS journal are not peer-reviewed. Peter Kirk published both P. pederseni and P. smithi there.
Originally posted by Steve Nunn
Yes he did, but that doesn't mean the published papers are peer reviewed (the BTS journal isn't peer reviewed for the most part). I hope Andy sought peer review from outside the BTS (not Gallon). Nothing against Rich Gallon, but I'd think he's a little too closely tied in to the BTS to be doing it. Somehow though, I have my doubts.
In my original "draft" of my post the above paragraph ended with an additional sentence: "However, I would be very curious who (and how many individuals) reviewed these papers."

But I decided I didn't want the thread to branch that way or stir things up. Now that the stirring has commenced I will add:

My wife is a visual neuroscientist. When she submits a manuscript for publication she suggests who would be appropriate to review it based on those scientists own related work and specific knowledge, but a reviewer cannot be someone who is acknowledged in the paper or is directly related to her work product. And she will not know the identities of the actual reviewers. Although this may still reek of cronyism to some, you obviously want someone who is completely familiar with the related literature and is an expert on the same area of the brain.

For the BTS publication to be credible as a "peer-reviewed journal", even if only in the context of the publishing of taxonomic works, these papers should be reviewed by a handful of individuals that are not part of the BTS clique.

I'm editing again ;) There was another paragraph here, but I've wrote enough on this :eek: I'm just a spider dealer and breeder... what the hell do I know!?!?

Back to the original thread: I hope that the "Tiger Spider Sanctuary" does succeed despite the seemingly impossible task of doing so.
 

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I', just curious as to what Rick, Volker, and Martin all think....
 
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