White stuff around my tarantulas mouth

[Lis B]

I got my first trantula it's a pink toe from a pet store it's a sub-adult I'm assuming it's wild caught cuz when I went there I was told they just got a shipment of pink toes. I got it back in September it's been eating fine up until about a week and a half two weeks ago and today it has white crap honest mouth parts I took a Q-tip and wiped as much of the white crap off and then it started to schmear what was left on its mouth all over the side of the tank is it nematodes cuz it kind of looked like tranchulas my tranchulas poop when it was smeared it on the side of the tank here is a picture of of its mouth since it's been wiped off I misted it's tank right after I cleaned it's

 

[MissouriArachnophile]

It probably was wild caught as more they probably just got the shipment in from whoever they user as suppliers. I've read a couple threads about white stuff near their mouths, but i'm not sure what it might be. There is a close up video of nematodes on a tarantula on youtube, i am not sure if that is actual nematodes or not they look like white worms. Could you get a picture of the other side of the tarantula as well so someone can tell you exactly what you have.

 

[Lis B]

I originally thought it was in premolt because of how it was acting but yesterday it started acting like its normal self again but still not eating

 

[Liquifin]

That enclosure is too large, and that's not the right set-up, it looks like a terrestrial enclosure.

 

[Lis B]

It has cork board to climb on I took everything out except for the basics so I can see and keep an eye on cuddles easier

The cork wood is all I left in there I took everything else out

 

[The Grym Reaper]

Doubt it's nematodes, by the time they start spilling out of the mouthparts your tarantula would likely be exhibiting dyskinesia as a result of the internal damage.

My guess is it's been eating its crap.

 

[Lis B]

Gross but what it really produce that much crap if I wipe down the tank and plants two or three times a week

 

[The Grym Reaper]

Setup needs some work too, the cork bark should be stood upright and there should be a bunch of fake plants positioned near the top of the bark for it to anchor any webbing to. Also, stop misting it, they should be kept predominantly dry with a large water dish.

 

[8LeggedLair]

The cork wood is all I left in there I took everything else out

What Liquifin is saying your T is Arboreal
And you have your T inside of a Terrestrial enclosure... this T needs height with lots of anchor points... the white stuff I can’t really tell from pics.
Could be two things
Nematodes
Or mites, they eat all the dead stuff in the enclosure including mold. Not particularly harmful to the T however myself doesn’t like having any mites in or around my T’s

Found This From Older Thread For You
It seems that we have found nematode cure, but it needs a bit more testing.
If you have any nematode-sick tarantulas you could try this method on them, anyways it's won't get worse if you try. What can be worse than death, right?)

First of all you need two drugs (is this right word? ), first - antibiotic (Cefotaxime - eh.. in powder 1g - put in 10ml of pure H2O for injections) and second is antinematode Pyrantel.

How to use:
First of all - clean up the mess (if there it is) near the tarantula mouth with warm water. After this take Cefotaxime 1g and dilute it with 10ml of Injection water, use it on the tarantula mouth and chelicere and where is nematodes, but dont try to push it inside tarantula's mouth. After this one is dry - use Pyrantel with ear-cleaning-stick around tarantula's mouth and chelicerae, but dont put so much.
Repeat this 3-5 days and remember to clean the cage and waterdish everytime after procedure.

Anyways this method shows 100% of nematode death, but success is depends on condition of tarantula and progress of infection.

Well, if you succeed to cure your tarantula, please - let me know. It will really helps.
@Neraz

 

[MissouriArachnophile]

Just use hot water to clean with. When I try to wipe mine down it activated the poop canon the next night.

 

[Lis B]

Cuddles had plants I took them out it has a proper setup normally and I misted its cage today because I took everything out and change the bedding this is the second time I've missed its cage since I got it the first time was the day I got it and put the cage together and I was told to put Cuddles in a 5 gallon tank by a tarantula breeder which it's in

 

[The Grym Reaper]

Could be two things
Nematodes
Or mites, they eat all the dead stuff in the enclosure including mold. Not particularly harmful to the T however myself doesn’t like having any mites in or around my T’s

Or it's neither and it's been eating its own poop.

Found This From Older Thread For You
It seems that we have found nematode cure, but it needs a bit more testing.
If you have any nematode-sick tarantulas you could try this method on them, anyways it's won't get worse if you try. What can be worse than death, right?)

First of all you need two drugs (is this right word? ), first - antibiotic (Cefotaxime - eh.. in powder 1g - put in 10ml of pure H2O for injections) and second is antinematode Pyrantel.

How to use:
First of all - clean up the mess (if there it is) near the tarantula mouth with warm water. After this take Cefotaxime 1g and dilute it with 10ml of Injection water, use it on the tarantula mouth and chelicere and where is nematodes, but dont try to push it inside tarantula's mouth. After this one is dry - use Pyrantel with ear-cleaning-stick around tarantula's mouth and chelicerae, but dont put so much.
Repeat this 3-5 days and remember to clean the cage and waterdish everytime after procedure.

Anyways this method shows 100% of nematode death, but success is depends on condition of tarantula and progress of infection.

Well, if you succeed to cure your tarantula, please - let me know. It will really helps.
@Neraz

The full thread for anyone else who's interested.

http://arachnoboards.com/threads/nematode-cure.203354/

Given that it'd only been "successful" on one tarantula and the OP from that thread disappeared a month later and never reported back on the others they said they'd tested it on I wouldn't be touting this as a miracle cure, also you need a prescription for at least one of those drugs.

 

[8LeggedLair]

Or it's neither and it's been eating its own poop.



The full thread for anyone else who's interested.

http://arachnoboards.com/threads/nematode-cure.203354/

Given that it'd only been "successful" on one tarantula and the OP from that thread disappeared a month later and never reported back on the others they said they'd tested it on I wouldn't be touting this as a miracle cure, also you need a prescription for at least one of those drugs.

True but I’d rather try that before having to euthanize one of my T’s or let it suffer then die. Better knowing I tried everything you know?

 

[The Grym Reaper]

True but I’d rather try that before having to euthanize one of my T’s or let it suffer then die. Better knowing I tried everything you know?

Kinda futile if you can't get hold of the drugs in the first place, Pyrantel is available OTC at a pharmacy but you need a prescription for Cefotaxime and you can't really work with it if you're allergic to penicillin either.

 

[boina]

Your tarantula looks plump and healthy, so I really doubt it's nematodes or anything dangerous.

Your setup, however, is rather bad, as others have already mentioned.

1. Stop stressing your spider out by changing the 'bedding'. That's completely unnecessary and should never be done.
2. Stop stressing your spider even more by removing most of her home!! What are you trying to do, make it sick?? Avics make a dense web and everytime you clean/remove/renovate the enclosure you destoy everything she's tried to build. You basically prevent her from making herself at home, causing perpetual and very unhealthy stress.
3. The substrate ('bedding') needs to be dry.
4. Avics live off the ground and they live ONLY high up. All the decoration/cork bark/fake plants should be in the upper half of the enclosure. Everything on the ground is useless. Do not remove the hides/plants, so you can see you tarantula better because she may be sick. If it really is sick you are making it sicker.

 

[Lis B]

Your tarantula looks plump and healthy, so I really doubt it's nematodes or anything dangerous.

Your setup, however, is rather bad, as others have already mentioned.

1. Stop stressing your spider out by changing the 'bedding'. That's completely unnecessary and should never be done.
2. Stop stressing your spider even more by removing most of her home!! What are you trying to do, make it sick?? Avics make a dense web and everytime you clean/remove/renovate the enclosure you destoy everything she's tried to build. You basically prevent her from making herself at home, causing perpetual and very unhealthy stress.
3. The substrate ('bedding') needs to be dry.
4. Avics live off the ground and they live ONLY high up. All the decoration/cork bark/fake plants should be in the upper half of the enclosure. Everything on the ground is useless. Do not remove the hides/plants, so you can see you tarantula better because she may be sick. If it really is sick you are making it sicker.

Thank u I only changed the bedding because if it was something in the bedding I wanted to get fresh bedding in there and I have just put cuddles tank back to how it was The Vines melted so I will be getting more tomorrow I boiled all of the plants The Vines normally go around the entirety of the top of the tank and hang down to the water dish so cuddles never has to touch the substrate

 

[boina]

Thank u I only changed the bedding because if it was something in the bedding I wanted to get fresh bedding in there and I have just put cuddles tank back to how it was The Vines melted so I will be getting more tomorrow I boiled all of the plants The Vines normally go around the entirety of the top of the tank and hang down to the water dish so cuddles never has to touch the substrate View attachment 291146

That looks pretty low for an arboreal setup... nevertheless, the decoration is good, and in general it should work.

Sterilizing/boiling the deco is never a good idea and I don't know what you thought was in the bedding that made you want to change it. The thing is that most of the stuff people try to eliminate by any sterilizing/cleaning attempts (mites, mold) are everywhere and come in through the air. Mite eggs and mold spores are just a natural part of life and are impossible to avoid - they really are everywhere around you. The good thing: they are completely harmless for your tarantula. Let me repeat that: they are harmless. You can just ignore them.

Now, sterilizing/boiling kills everything that's in the substrate/on the bark/plants. Now the very first thing that falls onto this has it all to itself - and can multiply to it's little hearts content without competition from the millions of beneficial micro organisms normally populating your soil/bark/plants.

Sterilizing/cleaning makes it actually more likely to get a pad outbreak of mites or mold - or even pathogenic bacteria. I very strongly recommend you stop doing that.

 

[Teal]

I have nothing to add except to say to PLEASE take boina's advice.

I messaged my vet that my dog has some sort bacterial infection around it’s teeth and gums he said him looks like you need
Some meds, I asked if Cefotaxime would help he said yes... so yea tomorrow picking it up

I'm wondering why the heck someone thinks an antibiotic like Cefotaxime is going to treat a parasitic infestation like nematodes... That makes no sense.

You are wasting your time and money. Nematodes aren't even that common... I have never had a T with them (knock on wood).

 

[8LeggedLair]

Thank u I only changed the bedding because if it was something in the bedding I wanted to get fresh bedding in there and I have just put cuddles tank back to how it was The Vines melted so I will be getting more tomorrow I boiled all of the plants The Vines normally go around the entirety of the top of the tank and hang down to the water dish so cuddles never has to touch the substrate View attachment 291146

I have nothing to add except to say to PLEASE take boina's advice.



I'm wondering why the heck someone thinks an antibiotic like Cefotaxime is going to treat a parasitic infestation like nematodes... That makes no sense.

You are wasting your time and money. Nematodes aren't even that common... I have never had a T with them (knock on wood).

it worked for one guy... so just in case i will try this if I have an infected T...
picked it up earlier today... better to have something and not need it, than to need it and not have it...

 

[Teal]

it worked for one guy... so just in case i will try this if I have an infected T...
picked it up earlier today... better to have something and not need it, than to need it and not have it...

In that case, do you know where I can get a parachute? I've never even been in an airplane, but by youe logic, you never know