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Edan bandoot

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Something bad happened in the molt too prevent food-water intake...at least thats what it seems like to me. Ts dont drink often....drinking often is a sign the previous drink offered little or nothing....freshly molted ts are always hungry, if they kill, they eat...yours is killing and not eating....it has the drive, but isnt doing anything with it. This species are good eaters.

Best hope is a quick molt if its as it seems.
thats what im thinking aswell.

it grabbed todays crinket and crumpled it up a bit after webbing it up (maybe it ate a little bit, since it seems mildly deflated)

since i dont think it's the sucking stomach do you think it would be worth attempting to disect if it does die?
 

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they can go months without eating for no reason, my aphonopelma semani does this sometimes
There is always a reason. Tarantulas that recently moulted do not go on hunger strikes unless something is wrong.

Ts dont drink often....drinking often is a sign the previous drink offered little or nothing
Indeed. For example, dehydrated tarantulas are sometimes too far gone to actually take in water. They may crawl with their last strength to the water dish and dunk their faces in the water, but they are not able to drink. I had this once with a rescue T. Didn't make it.
 

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There is always a reason. Tarantulas that recently moulted do not go on hunger strikes unless something is wrong.



Indeed. For example, dehydrated tarantulas are sometimes too far gone to actually take in water. They may crawl with their last strength to the water dish and dunk their faces in the water, but they are not able to drink. I had this once with a rescue T. Didn't make it.
can also say it's certainly not on its last legs right now, its got some pep in its step. I'd give it a minimum of two more weeks before it starts curling by my estimation
 

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As of July fourth she (suspect) is still alive.

I'll continue updating this thread bi-weekly to demonstrate a timeline for other people who may experience similar issues
 

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Still alive and doesn't seem disorientated anymore. I dropped a crik down her tunnel, we'll see if she brings it back up.
 

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As of today I can confirm that it isn't (visibly) impacted, as I'm able to see it's abdomen clearly.

I'm also able to say that it's very likely a female :/
 

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I took the web out of it's enclosure so I could monitor it better, very lethargic and no signs of defensiveness or bolting.
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I took the web out of it's enclosure so I could monitor it better, very lethargic and no signs of defensiveness or bolting.
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I also want to add that it's mouth parts look wet, not nematodes wet but wet for sure. pretty sure their hairs don't soak up the water when they drink🤔
 

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Sounds like some internal problems with its last molt. Maybe its sucking stomach didn't molt correctly? I've seen similar things happen before. Did you see the sucking stomach in its last molt?
 

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Sounds like some internal problems with its last molt. Maybe its sucking stomach didn't molt correctly? I've seen similar things happen before. Did you see the sucking stomach in its last molt?
Go to the top of this thread, I did see sucking stomach. Must be something else internal. PXL_20210717_044754304.jpg
It's lethargic enough for me to place on the water dish :/ it's really sad to see

Sounds like some internal problems with its last molt. Maybe its sucking stomach didn't molt correctly? I've seen similar things happen before. Did you see the sucking stomach in its last molt?
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Here's it's last molt, you can see the sucking stomach clearly
 

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This is very perplexing. It's probably something wrong internally as other people are saying, and I'm sure people are too quick to blame unexplained problems on nematodes, which are extraordinarily rare.

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I just want to add that I saw one confirmed case of nematodes a long time ago that started eerily exactly the same way.
At first: killing but not eating, webbing excessively, walking in a slightly disoriented way, drinking noticeably
Then: walking in a slower-than-usual and more disoriented way, drinking very often, mouth always looked wet even when water bowl was removed for most of a day
Later: hitting the food but with fangs/chelicerae not grabbing/not killing, dunking prosoma in water bowl constantly
Finally: refusing food altogether, and the wetness around the mouth became creamy white. Examined the cream under microscope and saw the nematodes. Got people who study nematodes to confirm that that's what they were. I cleaned the whiteness away with a Q-tip at least twice a day, but it always reappeared.
Larger/macroscopic nematodes became visible in the whiteness. The spider died.

That tarantula was wild-caught and bought at a pet store (not by me), and wild-caught feeders had been used. The feeder bin had an outbreak of phorid flies too. This was a thin and sickly spider that I had confiscated from an unfit keeper (my little brother).
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I hope that's not it. The recent molt suggests that it might be an internal problem from molting that might be resolved by another molt, just as others have commented. I only suggest keeping an eye on that wet looking mouth. Wishing the best for you 🌈
 

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This is very perplexing. It's probably something wrong internally as other people are saying, and I'm sure people are too quick to blame unexplained problems on nematodes, which are extraordinarily rare.

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I just want to add that I saw one confirmed case of nematodes a long time ago that started eerily exactly the same way.
At first: killing but not eating, webbing excessively, walking in a slightly disoriented way, drinking noticeably
Then: walking in a slower-than-usual and more disoriented way, drinking very often, mouth always looked wet even when water bowl was removed for most of a day
Later: hitting the food but with fangs/chelicerae not grabbing/not killing, dunking prosoma in water bowl constantly
Finally: refusing food altogether, and the wetness around the mouth became creamy white. Examined the cream under microscope and saw the nematodes. Got people who study nematodes to confirm that that's what they were. I cleaned the whiteness away with a Q-tip at least twice a day, but it always reappeared.
Larger/macroscopic nematodes became visible in the whiteness. The spider died.

That tarantula was wild-caught and bought at a pet store (not by me), and wild-caught feeders had been used. The feeder bin had an outbreak of phorid flies too. This was a thin and sickly spider that I had confiscated from an unfit keeper (my little brother).
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I hope that's not it. The recent molt suggests that it might be an internal problem from molting that might be resolved by another molt, just as others have commented. I only suggest keeping an eye on that wet looking mouth. Wishing the best for you 🌈
I think the fact that it happened post molt makes it most probable that it is an internal molt issue.

I've never had nematodes, or seen them in person, so all I can do is hope.

I can also confirm that the spider was CB.
 

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Still alive, it been sitting in the same corner for 3 days with slight changes in position.
 

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Nearly 2 full months post molt without eating, it refuses to touch live prey but grabs up prey kill.

It turns them into large boluses over night but I can't tell if it's eating.

No abdomen shriveling yet
 
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