Even that is highly unlikely.yeah, that what I mean suggocate and people drown
Since Ts do not actively breathe, this is another impossibility. However, there are several species that will swim, but the same thing that keeps them safe keeps the rest of the species safe too.forgot to mention some species of tarantula like to swim in water or hold their breath under water
forgot what species are they
yeah, they got oxygen from their bodyEven that is highly unlikely.
Since Ts do not actively breathe, this is another impossibility. However, there are several species that will swim, but the same thing that keeps them safe keeps the rest of the species safe too.
I know it has been mentioned in other threads, but your posts are horrible to read. Perhaps some proofreading before hitting that Submit Reply button is in order. It is pretty suggocating to make it through text speak and the lack of punctuation.....
I know how to type suffocatingMore specifically, they get oxygen from outside their body, through a process called diffusion, that occurs through their book lungs.
and I can type it for you.... suffocating. Okay?
You apparently asked the same question on the ATS message board, and I posted an answer there. However, since sending readers to another forum is in bad taste, I will repeat my reply here as well for the sake of any who are interested.i have been keeping my king and usambara baboon in deli cups with just about an inch of substrate. 2 times a month i mist the substrate to keep things a little moist and everyone is in good health. i have never lost/killed a tarantula doing this in the 4 years that i have been in the hobby. tell me why should i have a water bowl???
How big is the deli cup?oldworldkeeper said:i keep my king baboon in a deli cup with two inches of substrate. ...
For how many years?oldworldkeeper said:... every two week i mist the enclosure to keep things moist. i have been doing this for years and she seems to be happy. ...
For years Marguerite and I owned a pet shop in East Lansing, Michigan. And, you would not believe the number of people who don't realize that almost all animals need ready access to drinking water 24/7, or they get sick or die.oldworldkeeper said:... tell me why i would want a water bowl?? ...
:clap: Totally agreed.To be frank, I've not noticed a significat margin of error difference when not providing a water dish, at least the the species that I've kept, which is a considerable number. I've not kept any Theraphosa species, so the "margin of error" may come into play with T. blondi and company.
I can say that with regard to Avicularia, Poecilotheria, Brachypelma, Aphonopelma, Haplopelma, Hysterocrates, Cyriocosmus, Cyclosternum, Chromatopelma and Grammostola at least, they remain as hardy as ever without a water dish, and one needn't be overly doting even without a water dish present.
That said, I tend to provide a water dish for some individuals nowadays as I said above, but this is hardly a pervasive practice within my collection.
As I pointed out before, the "give them a water dish after 3 inches" is arbitrary, meaningless, and if anything the opposite of what should happen if you're paranoid about hydration, since a smaller tarantula will desiccate much easier than a larger specimen. So an arguably much better (but sill arbitrary and erroneous) statement would be "provide a water dish until they reach 3 inches" The dangers of open containers of water and small slings notwithstanding.
You saying that reminds me of a C.guangxiensis which webbed everything, twice. I would pour a little water on top of the webbing mat and I actually saw it pierce the webbing with its fangs to drink water, while on it's back. It was very cool to watch.That said, there are some species I keep that don't get water dishes. GBB, Pterinochilus, Psalmopoeus, Cyclosternum... all these guys give me such a hassle with webbing or burying their dishes that I've given up and just use a syringe to squirt a pool of water in front of them about once a week. Usually they jump in and drink it right up.
You can keep saying it, and it will be just as incorrect each time.As I said earlier, the water bowl might not be required, but failure to supply water is husbandry at its laziest.
I'm sure what he means is that water must be supplied in some way, to every tarantula, be it through misting/wetting of substrate, or through the food they eat.You can keep saying it, and it will be just as incorrect each time.
Have you seen first hand how a tarantula does not having a water dish it's entire life? I have...many times over. I've also provided water dishes (which more often than not get buried, tipped, or webbed over) Guess what...no difference.
That's called having empirical data on both sides of the debate.
You also contradict yourself. It's not needed, but not doing it is lazy. That doesn't pencil out. If it's not needed, then arguably providing one is a waste of time, far different than "lazy."
Not doing water changes on a fish tank, that would be lazy husbandry. The water change is required to keep the animals in good health. Not doing a water change results in a quantifiable, measurable, observable difference in the health of the animals in question. So long as it's fed, a tarantula (at least those belonging to the genera that I've dealt with, part of a post you probably ignored) lives and thrives without a water water bowl. This I know, because again, I kept them this way for several decades. There is no measurable, quantifiable, observable difference in the health, growth of the tarantula.
Your "lazy" conclusion therefore, at least in the eye's of someone with the long experience, (rather than someone just parroting), is at best I suppose forgivable ignorance. If you've always kept a water dish, then the only educated statement you can make is "they do well with a water dish". What you can't do is talk with any authority whatsoever regarding how they do without the water dish can you?
I don't begrudge anyone for saying they keep water dishes in all their T enclosures, for as I said before this is erring in favor of the animal at worst...hard to fault. I also don't begrudge anyone for saying something like "in my opinion, it's advisable to include a water dish" nothing wrong with that at all. When someone someone makes an erroneous declaration however, that's when I jump in.
I, along with others have been keeping animals of various kinds long enough to learn how to engage in efficient husbandry practices, without doing anything to compromise the health and well being of the animal. Some feel it's best to provide a water dish, and that's fine. They're not hurting anything by doing so. Some like choose to employ water dishes selectively or not at all, this is also not hurting anything.
I keep water dishes in a few enclosures where it makes sense, but where it doesn't, or where access is flat out dangerous, I don't bother....because I know it's not needed.
AGAIN...of a tarantula doesn't need additional water as a sling, it doesn't need it later either. This (provide a water dish above 3") methodology is backwards. A smaller T will desiccate easier than a larger T. If there's a critical time, it's UNDER 3", not over.
A tarantula growing from a tiny sling to 3" without a water dish is all proof you need right there. Nothing magically changes at the 3" mark, except a reduced need for additional water!
Okay. My turn to jump in! (And, no. I will not participate in a flame war!)... When someone someone makes an erroneous declaration however, that's when I jump in. ...
Ah, but something very important DOES happen! As the baby tarantulas emerge from the eggsac they have only a very thin and rudimentary exoskeleton. At some point thereafter it develops an effectively waterproof layer. I presume that this happens at different times with different species, probably even different times with different individuals.... A tarantula growing from a tiny sling to 3" without a water dish is all proof you need right there. Nothing magically changes at the 3" mark, except a reduced need for additional water! ...
Ah, but something very important DOES happen! As the baby tarantulas emerge from the eggsac they have only a very thin and rudimentary exoskeleton. At some point thereafter it develops an effectively waterproof layer. I presume that this happens at different times with different species, probably even different times with different individuals.
Sure, I'm fully on board with this. I do the same with some individuals.It may or may not be necessary, but since my collection isn't huge and time-consuming, I don't find it a hassle to provide a water dish and it certainly wouldn't hurt, so why not?
Unfortunately, every keeper even has a right to keep their Ts how they wish, even if it is detrimental to them.Every keeper has a right to keep their animals how they wish as long as it isn't detrimental to the animal, I just don't see the point of this argument, even if you believe they don't "need" them they do use them when they are provided. So why wouldn't you provide them in this case?
.....ExactlyI don't believe there is an argument going on here, but simply keepers giving opinions and experience. No one is saying "don't use a water dish", because that would be bad advice for some people; but providing experience with not having the dish was asked for as well, so those opinions are presented too. There isn't a right or wrong to the question this thread is asking, just personal preferences.