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Ok, so now i have in my breeding all Brachypelmas and all Tliltocatls (or what the hell are they called this month).
Yes, I feel you! That's neat about German. I've learned that Nahuatl and Cherokee have an extremely wide overlap of letters sounds and syllable accent rules, so cool. So I feel ya. I'm glad the video helped and you enjoyed!Thanks for the video. That helped a lot. And it's actually quite easy now to pronounce Tliltocatl the right way. I think the fact that I'm German helps as well because the Nahuatl pronounce the vowels the same way as I do.
Awesome! I am placing an order with Tliltocatls in it and would love to be able to say the name properly![/QUOTE]As an update for everyone, I have audio recordings of two different people pronouncing Tliltocatl, who I'm told are both native speakers and Nahuatl educators, in my FB messages... And I have permission to spread them... but for the life of me I can't figure how how to pull the clips from my messages on the ancient version of FB on browser so that I can upload them here. I'm often tragically hopeless when it comes to the latest technology, alas. How embarrassing!
Fascinating! Hopefully you can figure out how to get it in here. Maybe download it and then replied it? Finally, umbrella is pronounced Om-brella? I always said umbella.I don't know if I understand everything you're saying, @Arachnid Addicted, so I'm going to go back and carefully reread and answer you more thoroughly, hopefully. But in the meantime, I wanted to say to everybody...
I found a recording of an actual Nahuatl speaker saying Tliltocatl, and I'm trying to get a copy of it. But even better, one of the people I reached out to just got back to me- he's a native Nahuatl speaker AND does educational Nahuatl language outreach projects. He said he could probably make a video for us tomorrow! Cross your fingers!
Until then, here is an accurate pronounciation video for Nahuatl. Maybe, since this has audio and visual, this will answer questions and erase doubts:
The cheater version is "kleel toe cock".So "Tleel-to-kat"? "Tleel-to-cut"? Gosh, I didn't realize it would be this difficult (I say that as an English speaker; I'm not criticizing Nahuatl). I'm definitely chalking this one up as a win for the arachnologists...
Thanks @Feral and @pps for persevering to get this right! I definitely couldn't have done it.
Thanks,
Arthroverts
I do not find the tl to be difficult. Just say kl, but instead of keeping your tongue stiff and pushing/pulling down, slightly arch your tongue down, making almost a bowl, and lightly snap down. Try it with clap, clan and clout.It kinda removes the difficult "tl" part
I'm glad you find it not difficult, super cool. But also, really interesting! Do you use the "tl" or "dl" sound in any languages you speak?I do not find the tl to be difficult. Just say kl, but instead of keeping your tongue stiff and pushing/pulling down, slightly arch your tongue down, making almost a bowl, and lightly snap down. Try it with clap, clan and clout.
EDIT: Also think of it as saying the sound more with the front of your mouth rather than the back.
Oh, I do not speak any language but English. I even suck at that! I just find it easy and fun to pick up odd sounds and just make nonsense songs of them. Thank you ten years of speech therapy for making me know more about my tongue that I have ever wanted to know. Also, dl is new!I'm glad you find it not difficult, super cool. But also, really interesting! Do you use the "tl" or "dl" sound in any languages you speak?
I make the sound by putting the tip of my tongue on the roof of my mouth, behind my teeth (like where you would put it to start a normal T sound), and keeping a little stiffness to it as I breathe a puff of air to make the L sound so that air blows either around my immobile tongue for the harsher sound, or the air kinda blows the tip of my tongue off my barely off my palate to produce the softer one. I find by keeping the tip of my tongue either on, or very near, the roof of my mouth during the "tl" or "dl" I'm then in a position to go right into whatever vowel sound I need to make next. But that's just me, I'm sure whatever works, works!
I do not find the tl to be difficult. Just say kl, but instead of keeping your tongue stiff and pushing/pulling down, slightly arch your tongue down, making almost a bowl, and lightly snap down. Try it with clap, clan and clout.
EDIT: Also think of it as saying the sound more with the front of your mouth rather than the back.
That’s so interesting, and I’ve been wondering how native speakers form the ‘tl’ sound. I’ve been trying it out by pushing air against one side of my tongue, if that makes that makes any sense. Kind of like making an English ‘t’ sound but on the side of my mouth. Probably totally wrong!I'm glad you find it not difficult, super cool. But also, really interesting! Do you use the "tl" or "dl" sound in any languages you speak?
I make the sound by putting the tip of my tongue on the roof of my mouth, behind my teeth (like where you would put it to start a normal T sound), and keeping a little stiffness to it as I breathe a puff of air to make the L sound so that air blows either around my immobile tongue for the harsher sound, or the air kinda blows the tip of my tongue off my barely off my palate to produce the softer one. I find by keeping the tip of my tongue either on, or very near, the roof of my mouth during the "tl" or "dl" I'm then in a position to go right into whatever vowel sound I need to make next. But that's just me, I'm sure whatever works, works!
Jealous! Cherokee has spider of course, but I've never found a word for tarantula. And that's a cool one, too. so jealous!Apologies if this is totally off track, but I stumbled upon the Nahuatl word for tarantula earlier and thought it was really cool - tlalhuehuetl
https://nahuatl.uoregon.edu/content/tlalhuehuetl
Sleep dep sucksI wrote a long thing but accidentally erased it. I'm sleeping dep-ing. Forgive.
I don't remember, it was probably something boring that was way too much about Cherokee nobody cares about, but I'm just over the moon that I actually got to use it for an actual real purpose. Plus, I got to combine Cherokee and spoods... I'm surprised I didn't pop!
But I do just want to say that I hope the correct pronunciation information gets out there, I hope people spread the right stuff and stop shoveling out the bad. That beautiful word, and the culture and people behind it, I hope we can do them justice.
I've thought about, maybe after the other teacher's contribution is uploaded, pointing this thread, or at least the pronunciation materials, at a few key people. Like maybe some hobby people who reach large audiences, and especially the people who established/named the genus. But I haven't thought that all the way through, and would be happy to hear people's thoughts!