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Systematic revision of Brachypelma, new genus described.

Discussion in 'Tarantula Questions & Discussions' started by The Grym Reaper, Nov 5, 2019.

  1. Arachnid Addicted

    Arachnid Addicted Arachnobaron Active Member

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    Thats how my mind understood after I saw the link

    So, the letters Tl in Nahuatl language is pronounced as the word clue, without the letter C, so kinda like "lue", lol. Based on that, it'd be probably sound something like this: "Lue eel toh cah lue"
     
  2. Arthroverts

    Arthroverts Arachnoprince Active Member

    I can just see it now: the arachnologists are gathered around their findings and research, discussing what the new genus name should be:

    "So what do you think?" says Oscar Francke.
    "I dunno" replies Jorge Mendoza. "The hobbyists haven't been giving us a hard time lately."
    "But they did throw a big fit over B. hamorri."
    "True, true. Maybe we'll just throw em' a big curveball just for that. Teach them that you don't critique arachnologists when their working."
    "Ha ha, yeah. What should it be? Something exceedingly long or impossible to pronounce?"
    "I'm thinking along the lines of impossible to pronounce; Chilobrachys jonitriantisvansicklei just got described, and we don't want to come across as copying. See if you can find something that works in the local Aztec language but doesn't exist in the English language. That'll show em'".
    "Just the English-speaking hobbyists then? What about the European and Asian hobbyists?"
    "No, the Germans and the Poles have been pretty good about keeping up to date, its the Americans who keep complaining. As for the Asian hobbyists, we can't make everybody's life difficult now."
    "Good point. Let's get looking."

    And thus Tliltocatl was born. Practically unpronounceable in English, it continues to haunt hobbyists to this day...

    Thanks for sharing @The Grym Reaper! Time to go relabel those enclosures.

    Arthroverts
     
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  3. PanzoN88

    PanzoN88 Arachnolord

    I have 4 (8 individuals) names to memorize.

    T. vagans
    T. albopilosum
    T. schroederi
    T. sabulosum

    Now we really need revision for both the Phormictopus and Pamphobeteus genus.
     
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  4. Good thing Boehmei is still brachypelma, I just created a label and stuck it on the terrarium hahahaha
     
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  5. Nickjuliaschick

    Nickjuliaschick Arachnopeon Arachnosupporter

    I just read about this, and I do have a question. When a genus is changed like this, how long does it take for everyone to transistion over to the new name. I am still relatively new to this hobby, and I still see C. Versicolor sometimes listed as A. Versicolor. Is it best for hobbyists, breeders and vendors to list the new name only, or list with both names on it? I sure it's best to do the official name, speaking from experience and only being involved in the hobby for about 3 or 4 years now. I do get confused when I see names that have changed or listed with two names. It was just a thought that popped in my brain. Better to list both so people learn what it changed from, or completely abandon the old genus.
    Thanks
     
  6. Vanessa

    Vanessa Grammostola Groupie Arachnosupporter

    Tlitocatl: ll-ilt-o-k-ah-ll
    The beginning and ending 't' is silent.
     
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  7. Arachnid Addicted

    Arachnid Addicted Arachnobaron Active Member

    This name changes are valid to science. Most hobbysts (I believe) decided to follow it and change their labels too. However, there are few that decide to keep their old names, sometimes, just because they dont accept the change (which, tbh, wont matter at all for science purposes).

    That said, the time to "transition" is up to you. It'd be better if all keepers followed these changings, but this is utopic, imo.
     
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  8. Feral

    Feral Arachnobaron Active Member

    Right?! *sigh*

    Tliltocatl. Hmmm...

    I took the page to mean it's just the breathy "l" in "clue", without the vowel sound attached. Then, at least as I interpreted it, it says the "i" would be a long e sound, the next "l" and "t" would be the same as English, then I think the "o" is a long o sound, then the "c" is hard and the "a" is like an "ah" sound, and then the last "tl" would be that breathy "l" with no vowel sound.

    Something like (^ denoting the breathiness): ^leel toh kah^l
    As far as which syllable is accented... :dead:



    P.S. according to that page, we're all pronouncing "axolotl" terribly wrong. Uh oh!
     
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  9. Arachnid Addicted

    Arachnid Addicted Arachnobaron Active Member

    The "breathy L" that sounds like Clue without C is blowing my mind right now. Lol!
     
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  10. volcanopele

    volcanopele Arachnosquire

    Still waiting on that Lasiodora revision...
     
  11. AphonopelmaTX

    AphonopelmaTX Moderator Staff Member

    It doesn't matter what scientific name is put onto pet trade specimens as long as everyone knows what is being talked about. The science of determining tarantula evolutionary relationships/ taxonomy and the hobby of keeping tarantulas as pets have nothing to do with each other.
     
  12. pps

    pps Arachnopeon

    Shouldn't scientific name be pronounced always with latin rules?
     
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  13. Brachyfan

    Brachyfan Arachnobaron Active Member

    Placing an order! Just completed my Brachypelma collection

    Brachypelma albiceps
    Tliltocatl epicureanum
    Another G pulchripes
    Aphonopelma calchodes
    Acanthoscurria geniculata (possibly still makes me a little nervous lol)

    Also really glad I don't have to change my name to Tliltofan! Kinda hard to pronounce lol!
     
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  14. Arachnid Addicted

    Arachnid Addicted Arachnobaron Active Member

    Nope, there are also names that come from greek. Thats why the right ways to called a species name is binominal names or scientifica names and not Latin names.
     
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  15. Feral

    Feral Arachnobaron Active Member

    I hope not. It'd seem pretty white-privilege to Anglicize an indigenous name.

    But no, that's not the case. It's just that a whole lot of binomials happen to be Latin.

    [edit- oops, @Arachnid Addicted was quicker on the draw! lol]
     
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  16. SonsofArachne

    SonsofArachne Arachnoangel Active Member

    The forces of my Brachy army have been officially divided....'sigh'. Had 11 Brachy species, I now have 6 brachys and 5........Tlilts? Tliltys? Tliltties? Whatever, I've got 5 of them.
     
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  17. Feral

    Feral Arachnobaron Active Member

    I'm kinda bummed I can only read the abstract.
    I don't even keep those species, but I was curious... Particularly about the specific physiological reproductive differences used to differentiate and also I wanted to try to find out where the name Tliltocatl came from. And I can't find that answer. Does anyone know specifically why that word was chosen, other than just the vague "named from the language of the native people of the area in which the species live"...? I wanna know what the word actually means and why it was chosen.
     
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  18. pps

    pps Arachnopeon

    "The genus gender is masculine. The name is a noun in apposition comprising the Nahuatl words Tlil, which means ‘black’, and tocatl, which means ‘spider’, referring to the black coloration of species in the genus."
     
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  19. Arachnid Addicted

    Arachnid Addicted Arachnobaron Active Member

    I made a story on Instagram talking about that, it means Black Spider. However, I share this info from another account.
     
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  20. CommanderBacon

    CommanderBacon Arachnoknight Active Member

    A guy on the Book of Faces has posted a video with a pronunciation in it, presumably from a Mexican instructor. The way he pronounced it sounded like "Tlilt-a-cotta", so there was a pronunciation of the T's, which I wasn't expecting based on the pronunciation guide.

    So I'm confused again!
     
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