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Smuggler Caught Shipping tarantulas in LA

Discussion in 'Tarantula Chat' started by KenTheBugGuy, Dec 3, 2010.

  1. Anastasia

    Anastasia Arachnoprince Old Timer

    US
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    I think what he saying most of them already been captive bred and born/hatched
    Sure at some point all of them came from wild collected dicent
     
  2. JamieC

    JamieC Arachnopeon

    John

    No one is saying that. What Sven did was wrong. We all accept that. He broke the law, got caught and now has to answer for his actions. No one is saying that what he did was OK, or that he should be let off.

    The point I think Falk is trying to make is that you may very well have benefitted from previous "illegal" deals without even knowing it. You may have specimens in your collection that came from similar deals. Something to consider.
     
  3. John Kanker

    John Kanker Arachnosquire

    theft is theft. If your serious about collecting for the good then get the paper work.
     
  4. Anastasia

    Anastasia Arachnoprince Old Timer

    US
    John,
    there is a bit of difference between thief and a smuggler
    even so cant label anyone, news are like broken phone
    innocent until proven guilty in a court of law
     
  5. John Kanker

    John Kanker Arachnosquire

    So what would you say is a fitting punishment for someone who has broke this law got caught and has to answer for his actions, bearing in mind you may want to put people off breaking this law in the future.
    I know what he is saying and I am also fully awear of the many species that I have myself that came in only due to them being smuggled. I on the other hand am not going to try and kidd myself into thinking that just because I have them it makes it ok to smuggle them because it doesn't and I am fully awear that because they were smuggled I really shouldn't have them either.

    Im not againts people smuggleing any spiders either but I'm not going to kidd myself into saying that is ok for any reason because there is none.
     
  6. Comatose

    Comatose Arachnobaron Old Timer

    I wasn't aware that they had been harvested...

    At any rate, this doesn't involved species being taken from the wild, it's about someone failing to fill out convoluted paperwork.
     
  7. John Kanker

    John Kanker Arachnosquire

    No. if you collect without a permit you are stealing which last time I checked is theft. This is what I was saying. I you read the bit I quoted you may understand why I wrote what I did.
     
  8. John Kanker

    John Kanker Arachnosquire

    quite, the topic has strayed a little lol
     
  9. JamieC

    JamieC Arachnopeon

    John,

    I have no idea what a fitting punishment would be! We don't even know the full story yet! It certainly is NOT 20 years and $250K fine!

    Like I keep saying, I'm not saying what he has done is OK. You don't seem to be taking that in. Sven is in big trouble. I hope his fine is affordable and his sentence (if any) is leniant for the sake of Sven, his family and for our hobby.

    Anastasia is right. Theft and smuggling are not the same thing.
     
  10. KenTheBugGuy

    KenTheBugGuy Arachnodemon

    I definitely second that!
     
  11. John Kanker

    John Kanker Arachnosquire

    where have I said theft and smuggling are the same thing?

    where have I said that you think it is ok?

    what do you mean sake of our hobby? do you think it will end if the worse outcome for swen happened?

    just so you know I hope for the best for swen also btw.
     
  12. KenTheBugGuy

    KenTheBugGuy Arachnodemon

    yah

    I also don't see how a lesser sentence would help our hobby but I do hope for a lesser sentence for his sake as I don't think the full punishment is exactly fair for him or his family.
     
  13. Falk

    Falk Arachnodemon

    Nope but many of them where in the beginning.
     
  14. John Kanker

    John Kanker Arachnosquire

    totally agree I really do hope for his sake they do not make an example out of him if they fing him guilty. Spiders are no great excuse for getting a lose ring piece.
     
  15. John Kanker

    John Kanker Arachnosquire

    so this makes smuggleing all ok then?
     
  16. KenTheBugGuy

    KenTheBugGuy Arachnodemon

    Point

    I would like to make one point. No one is smuggling spiders cause they think "our hobby needs that spider" if that were true they would just give them away. The only reason people smuggle spiders is for personal gain. I would say this is true 99% of the time. There is a small percentage that I am sure is for research or other reason but even those many times are for personal gain cause why risk yourself if not.
     
  17. Anastasia

    Anastasia Arachnoprince Old Timer

    US
    you didnt say, but collecting wild animals and deliver them with out proper paperwork its smuggling
    its just seems all got trowin in one pot, lol
     
  18. JamieC

    JamieC Arachnopeon

    You are comparing theft to smuggling. They are 2 different things.

    You repeatedly say: "That does not make it OK" No one ever said it was.

    Sven's has a lot of input in this hobby. He is one of 2 people I buy from.

    You now say you hope for the best for Sven?! In an earlier post you said you found the whole thing amusing! Get your story straight.

    Once again John, I feel like this thread is getting cluttered with our to and fro argument, so for the sake of others I'm stopping now. I don't want this thread to get out of hand and locked.
     
  19. Falk

    Falk Arachnodemon

    Look what i wrote earlier
     
  20. John Kanker

    John Kanker Arachnosquire

    If you are collecting without a permit you are stealing which is theft, and is what I was commenting on. the bringing of the spiders into another country without a permit is the smuggling part which in that post I was not commenting on.
     
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