Sericopelma rubronitens?

[Spider45]

Just picked up a large female and was wondering is the scientific name correct. The common name was listed as Panama Red Rump. I can't find much info on it, so any care comments would be appreciated. It also seems pretty jumpy, is that normal.

Thanx Jim

 

[Hamburglar]

I picked up two myself that were listed as "panama breeders". I believe that Sericopelma rubronitens is the correct name for panama red rumps and mine are pretty jumpy as well. Mine were more of a rescue tho so I wasn't sure how I could really compare their behavior. Both of mine are fairly large 6-7 inches and very dehydrated and underfed when I got them. Mine are jet back with red hairs on the abdomen very similar to vagans.

 

[Spider45]

I was trying to find the scientific name so I could log her into ArachnoRecord, but its not in there. The pet store I got her from has the substrate very wet. I'm going to transfer her to her permanent home tomorrow and was wondering if they prefer very high humidity?

Jim

 

[SNAFU]

S. Rubronitens is correct. I have a MM thats about 6" that can be jumpy at times, is usually pretty laid back. He's not a big eater which kind of surprised me. Here's a bit of info from Todd Gearhearts site. Just enter the name and search on Google, you should come up with some info.
http://www.tarantulaspiders.com/image/s-rubronitens-adult-f
I keep mine fairly dry on 100% peat with a hide, water dish and a few fake plants. I do mist his substrate lightly once or twice a week.

 

[Spider45]

Thanks for the link, more info then I found on my own. I have to be careful when I transfer to its new cage, seems very fast and very angry, but will make an awesome addition to my collection.

Jim

 

[hamfoto]

Be safe and go with Sericopelma sp.

There are a lot of unknowns and look-a-likes down there...

Chris

 

[M.F.Bagaturov]

+1 to what Chris said.
I always wonder how these correlates in this dealer's amazing comprehension:
This is an proven ID'ed S. rubronitens: http://www.tarantulaspiders.com/image/s-rubronitens
But this adult male of the same species is just S. sp.... :
http://www.tarantulaspiders.com/image/sericopelma-panama-m
New look of the site is great, but old look with the more correct info would be more valuable... IMHO

 

[Spider45]

Mine looks more like the second link photo, the first one shows lots of white outline, mine has all black body and red rump. I'll try to post pics when He/She comes out of hiding.

Thanks Jim

 

[xenesthis]

Mikhail,

The unidentifed Sericiopelma sp. could not be confirmed to be what has been imported as "Sericopelma rubronitens".

That mature male was seen in a different region of the country. Based on the info at hand, I think putting the pic of the mature male up as Sericopelma sp. is satisfactory. If not, please explain.

Todd
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I always wonder how these correlates in this dealer's amazing comprehension:
This is an proven ID'ed S. rubronitens: http://www.tarantulaspiders.com/image/s-rubronitens
But this adult male of the same species is just S. sp.... :
http://www.tarantulaspiders.com/imag...pelma-panama-m
New look of the site is great, but old look with the more correct info would be more valuable... IMHO
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All the best,
Mikhail

 

[SNAFU]

I have a big male thats all legs. Posted pics of him before so I won't again. Yeah, he's kinda jumpy too. I had a laugh when the Petco mgr. tried to cup him and he rared up and struck. The Mgr. yanked his hand back so fast he almost fell over!
Well, here he is anyway bald abd. & pissed off~

 

[reptist]

2 differant species

I'll go w/ Todd on this one there were 2 imports from panama that brought 2 species that are almost identicle yet slightly differant, mostly in their behaviors, one is highstrung and pretty bulky brought in origionaly on the west coast under the name of Panama Red Rump-Sericopelma rubronitens, I took the liberty of sending off exuvium to Ray Gabriel who positively ID'd as Sericopelma rubronitens. and the other ultra highstrung and a bit leggier than the first, brought in on the east coast under the name Panama Black Bird Eater- Pamphobeteus communis, which is a bogus name that hasnt been used for years, and almost surely was never a name for this spider from Panama,

the 2 species are verry similair and from the same area, {Panama} so like Todd I concluded that they were almost surely the same genus but probably a seperate species, deffinately not Pamphobeteus, although the jumpieness of the latter does resemble the psychotic actions of alot of Pampho species I have dealt with, here are some pix of both species, PEACE, B.

Sericopelma rubronitens-Panama Red Rump
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Sericopelma sp.-Panama Black Bird Eater
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[M.F.Bagaturov]

Reptist.
So, You was not too lazy to send to Ray the exuvium of the one for positive ID but didn't find the possibility to do the same with another one thus still list it as "sp". Or I miss something?
Xenesthis. Are these S. rubronitens You have proven ID also was ID'ed by Ray Gabriel or it is Your personal experience? What characters will make it proven S. rubronitens - can You tell please, as I'm very confused with all these rubronitens-communis-various sp stuff?
Thanks in further!

 

[xenesthis]

Every spider being identified by a theraphosid taxonomist?

Mikhail,

When a spider is imported from wild-caught stock and/or European CB stock, unless a theraphosid taxnomist examined each and every spider, a dealer should only list it has a Theraphosid and that it's it?

In a perfect world of taxonomists working with dealers on each and every spider acquired, that would be noble and great, but the reality and this is my point, the reality is you, me and everybody else knows this not to be the case. You want the ideal, but most of us have to deal with the real world.

A majority of dealers attempt to get stock properly identified when we have the material and have the access and assistance of taxonomists. We also both know there are importers/dealers that could care less and would gladly tell you to put your idealism.

It is not a perfect world. Making blanket statements and attitudes about dealers is not productive. If you were in their position, you would have to be part of the solution, but since your not, you have the luxury to sit back and complain and highlight every problem.

Within the theraphosid taxonomy world, there isn't a lot of coordination and communication as every year hobbyists have to keep switching labels on their tarantula tanks. The problem needs to be addressed FIRST. The second is for dealers and taxonomists to work together for the benefit of the hobby. There are several taxnomists that will NOT do that and there are many dealers that will NOT do that. That is the second big problem. There are other problems, but those two stick out badly.

I'd like to see more sharing of information without the slaps against dealers out there. Provide information. Share it. Work together.

It is not logically feasible for every spider that's imported or acquired to be individually reviewed by a theraphosid taxonomist as of today. Maybe in the future when we see pigs fly.

 

[M.F.Bagaturov]

Hi Xenesthis!

Sorry, I'm enough wise and I knew how this world in fact is.
Does all the above means that it's just a dealer listing it in price as S. rubronitens makes it be S. rubronitens in Yours and You can't confirm it Youself.
Just need to know this as I need some tips on how to any characters works on these Sericopelma's as I know some other tarantulas which don't need to be checked by taxonomists, but not these.
Thanks for Your time.

 

[xenesthis]

imperfect

Mikhail,

It just means this is not an ideal and perfect situation. When some taxonomist reviews and identifies the two species from Panama that is referenced in this post, we can all be assured of it's I.D.

I guess, dealers could list like this:

12 Brachypelma smithi (individually identified 3/1/08 by Rick West) "Mexican Red Knee", CB 3"

How's that?

Otherwise, I guess we have to do this:

Theraphosidae, unknown species, "Mexican Red Knee", CB 3"

O'kay, you play dealer and please let all the dealers know what they should do here.

I was one of the first dealers to start listing the screwed up Vitalius/Pamphobeteus platyomma correct as Pamphobeteus sp. "platyomma".

Mikhail, I also follow your taxonomy info updates and apply that when I can. A good example of a currently problem is with pet trade names Lasiodora difficilis and L. fracta. Check out dealer's list on these two species industry-wide.

Again, this problem will not be solved overnight. I think the key is for taxonomists and dealers to work together better and within the taxonomy world, but first, the taxonomists need to work better together.

 

[miarachnids]

I am pretty sure the dealer I got this spider from, got it in with wild caught S.robronitens. Thats what he thought it was. It looks like a Sericopelma Sp. to me.

 

[M.F.Bagaturov]

Todd. The problem is that You should do Your best working with the dealer for him to knew that You're not a guy who can be sold anything for anything he likes... If You done it - good for You, but when You sell and describe the species on your site You should separate these which correctly ID'ed (proven) from the species which are ID'ed by original dealers (these ID should be dubious unless we told about the common species).
You see how the situation goes with these Chilean species. Paraphysa sp goes as Euathlus sp, some unknown and possibly never ID'ed goes like E. truculentus etc...
It is me or some other people who can ask Ray or try myself to fox which is which, but many people buying the same species under the different "proven" names or vise versa different species under the smae "proven" name - both never succeed in breeding them => thus would mean after some years further we lost such species in captivity and maybe for hobby at all like we lost already some species and will loose several very soon!!!
What happened to some species like M. balfouri and some others like this if specimens in just a few happens to enter the hobby would be never bred -> we would never saw any and unable to keep the offspring and establish the species in hobby. Do You know of any Madagascar tarantula in hobby? Me - not but I know some were in several specimens were happens to enter the USA or Canada near 10 years ago - and where they are?

Look, what reptist done in fact the terrible thing - he sells some as S. rubronitens ID'ed by Ray but maybe the same one species (I see no diference except one is in premolt coloration and the other has molt recently) as sp unID'ed... what would be "at the end" - can You suppose? I would tell You - if all these ID'ed correctly rubronitens turned to be females and all "sp." males - would be no CB S. rubronitens and after Panama close export of wildlife wouild be no S. rubronitens at all in the hobby after the oldest female dies...
Just it.

 

[M.F.Bagaturov]

Miarachnid!

It is Sericopelma sp, but not sp sensu reff by reptist if You follow his post and photos.
The Sericopema sp You have is very close looking to S. rubronitens, but You should be sure thus the ID is a dubious for Your spider till it would be proven by anyone who knew who is who in Sericopelma spp.
The correct label for Your spider would be _Sericopelma cf. rubronitens_ and it would be very good if You will ask the dealer You bought it for the exact locality this spider were caught and also provide Your spider in a sake of correct ID with the original locality name.

 

[miarachnids]

Mikhail,

Is there someone that knows who is who in sericopelma genus?
I would like to get this spiders ID. Would I have to send the spider or can i Just send a molt?
It does'nt look like others being sold as S. rubronitens. It has thick yellowish stripe on the knees.

Miarachnid!

It is Sericopelma sp, but not sp sensu reff by reptist if You follow his post and photos.
The Sericopema sp You have is very close looking to S. rubronitens, but You should be sure thus the ID is a dubious for Your spider till it would be proven by anyone who knew who is who in Sericopelma spp.
The correct label for Your spider would be _Sericopelma cf. rubronitens_ and it would be very good if You will ask the dealer You bought it for the exact locality this spider were caught and also provide Your spider in a sake of correct ID with the original locality name.

 

[jeff1962]

I am pretty sure the dealer I got this spider from, got it in with wild caught S.robronitens. Thats what he thought it was. It looks like a Sericopelma Sp. to me.

The spyder I got from reptist as S. robronitens. does not have any stripes at all on its legs. It is jet black with red hairs on its abdomen.Plus since she molted a couple months ago she is skittish to the point of being aggresive. In fact I am very carefull now of putting my hands in her enclosure at all.She is a great looking T. though ,lways out in the open. Care wise she likes it when I flood her water bowl so part of her enclosure is damp.