Regarding recent Phoneutria for sale in USA

[paul fleming]

I don't understand this......you guys can go into a shop and buy an Uzi or a 50 cal. sniper rifle and yet you are complaining about spider keepers being able to get hold of Phoneutria spp. :wall:
I am sure these would not be sold to just anyone (can't say the same about guns of course).
I thought the idea was to bring more exotic species into the hobby.

 

[kripp_keeper]

Exotic, but not deadly.

 

[paul fleming]

Exotic, but not deadly.

You will be banning the keeping of T's next after you have worked your way through all your native venemous species of course.
BTW....the European honey bee kills more people in Australia than any other animal......maybe we should ban those too.

 

[burmish101]

That was only a huntsman they found in that grocery store. @ caco http://www.venomousreptiles.org/pages/antbnk antivenom is available and proper protocol is always a good thing to have in case of a bite

 

[Ganoderma]

If you want to get a glimpse at your exotic hobby, and any other "weird" hobby, take a serious look into the war on drugs in the states. all the steps are there laid out for banning anything. first scare people then protect the kids then punish those who disobey.

the fact they are on you tube is probably the begining of the end.

we have reached a point where we are considered not to have any personal responisibilty, so we are governed. look at australias recent crazy laws being put forth.....small breasts in porn leads to more pedophiles, female ejacultion. some countries have gone completely nuts.

where i am from in canada we are not allowed ANY arachnids, snakes and a bunch of lizards and other insects. then there is the provincial laws, ten teh feds...

i am waiting for the government to ban farts cause it pollutes the air.


the saying "give him an inch, he takes a mile" this is VERY true with government. you dont want to budge one bit because at first you think you are controlling wandering spiders, heroin, pedophiles, but next thing you know you are getting jailed for orb weavers, vitamin c and unregistered sex.

though i likely sound paranoid, if one pays attention to what was what is and what is going to be, you will see a huge slide in freedoms, so its probably not a good idea to cheer the ban wagon, cause they go hog wild when the public agrees to controlling stuff.

i liek the permit idea, but i dislike the fact that the government being the bunch of rooked quacks they are issuing them. its like telling a hard core catholic group to make teh call on allowing abortions.

i personally have no need to keep these spiders, nor will i ever as they are too dangerous for me, but i am totally against the controlling of people having that choice.

 

[Mister Internet]

I don't understand this......you guys can go into a shop and buy an Uzi or a 50 cal. sniper rifle and yet you are complaining about spider keepers being able to get hold of Phoneutria spp. :wall:
I am sure these would not be sold to just anyone (can't say the same about guns of course).
I thought the idea was to bring more exotic species into the hobby.

Leave it to a disagreeable European to make a discussion about gun control and the USA's "gun culture" whenever possible in order to distract away from a perfectly legitimate discussion.

 

[cacoseraph]

I don't understand this......you guys can go into a shop and buy an Uzi or a 50 cal. sniper rifle and yet you are complaining about spider keepers being able to get hold of Phoneutria spp. :wall:
I am sure these would not be sold to just anyone (can't say the same about guns of course).
I thought the idea was to bring more exotic species into the hobby.

the depth of the understanding of *the way the world works* demonstrated by your posts never ceases to amaze me


why don't you come up with some really clever way to show us that Pho are less dangerous than guns!? pm me for some suggestions

 

[paul fleming]

the depth of the understanding of *the way the world works* demonstrated by your posts never ceases to amaze me


why don't you come up with some really clever way to show us that Pho are less dangerous than guns!? pm me for some suggestions

I can't believe you honestly just said that :?
Ok then....how many people do guns kill compared to the spids :clap:?
This is way too easy.
BTW...I am not a gun control freak......wish we had them over here and I have always had a shot gun license and shoot sporting and trap.
Me being a European makes no difference to the fact that I love all animals,especially snakes,spids,scorps.......and don't want other people to decide what I can or cannot keep.
Edit.....within reason of course...I don't for one minute think everyone should be allowed to keep Siberian tigers out their back yard...maybe a few lions but that's it

 

[John Apple]

I can't believe you honestly just said that :?
Ok then....how many people do guns kill compared to the spids :clap:?
This is way too easy.
BTW...I am not a gun control freak......wish we had them over here and I have always had a shot gun license and shoot sporting and trap.
Me being a European makes no difference to the fact that I love all animals,especially snakes,spids,scorps.......and don't want other people to decide what I can or cannot keep.
Edit.....within reason of course...I don't for one minute think everyone should be allowed to keep Siberian tigers out their back yard...maybe a few lions but that's it

Ummm Guns don't kill people...people do...on that account I REEEAAALLLYYY don't see too many folk throwing their phos on other folk....yeah accidents do happen with guns also...

 

[AzJohn]

Ummm Guns don't kill people...people do...on that account I REEEAAALLLYYY don't see too many folk throwing their phos on other folk....yeah accidents do happen with guns also...

Am idiot did try to mug someone with a python once.

John

 

[paul fleming]

Ummm Guns don't kill people...people do...on that account I REEEAAALLLYYY don't see too many folk throwing their phos on other folk....yeah accidents do happen with guns also...

Have to remember that one :liar:
If you don't want to keep the spiders....don't keep them,that easy really.
Don't think anyone was forced to buy one of them.

 

[gromgrom]

I don't understand this......you guys can go into a shop and buy an Uzi or a 50 cal. sniper rifle and yet you are complaining about spider keepers being able to get hold of Phoneutria spp. :wall:
I am sure these would not be sold to just anyone (can't say the same about guns of course).
I thought the idea was to bring more exotic species into the hobby.

did you miss the whole part of "it damages our hobby", not just the danger aspect? the gun hobby is bad enough as it is, but we dont need pokies and other cool T's being banned over venom as just opposed to Phos.

If someone wants to own one, more power to them. I dont like the idea of them floating in the hobby one bit though.

 

[John Apple]

Am idiot did try to mug someone with a python once.

John

yeah people even mug people with guns and knives....I did read that article and had a good laugh...hmmm time to pack up my phos and head to a bank

 

[paul fleming]

did you miss the whole part of "it damages our hobby", not just the danger aspect? the gun hobby is bad enough as it is, but we dont need pokies and other cool T's being banned over venom as just opposed to Phos.

If someone wants to own one, more power to them. I dont like the idea of them floating in the hobby one bit though.

If you ban the "pho" .....Phoneutria fera.....that could just be the start and what will be next ?
You guys keep quite a few nasties over there so although they may not be the calmest spider around,I can't see the point of all the aggro about people wanting to keep them.
If the species does end up getting banned,keeping them will just go underground which you don't really want.
I think there are enough laws telling us what we can and cannot do without people asking for more.

 

[Fran]

If you ban the "pho" .....Phoneutria fera.....that could just be the start and what will be next ?
You guys keep quite a few nasties over there so although they may not be the calmest spider around,I can't see the point of all the aggro about people wanting to keep them.
If the species does end up getting banned,keeping them will just go underground which you don't really want.
I think there are enough laws telling us what we can and cannot do without people asking for more.

Not letting Phoneutria get stablished into the hobby will help save people from possible bites thanks to rather stupid people who plays with species who shouldnt be messed with. (And take pictures to post on arachnid boards).

 

[blacktara]

Someone said

"We need hair sprys, we need kitchens, we need lighters for us to live a regular life but most certainly we dont need an idiot in charge of a deadly animal. "

First off, this is a decision one can make for oneself and on behalf of one's dependents. YOU do not get to decide or legislate what I need. - and if I decide I need something, I do not have to justify that need to YOU

I personally do not see a need to own a venomous animal, or an AK-47 for that matter. However, the only place I can stop anyone else from doing so is on my personal property

The comeback to this is likely to be something along the lines of 'living in community, blah blah blah"

Look, Big Brother can ALWAYS justify his/its existance based on purported good intentions. No matter, I forever refuse to sanction Big Brother

 

[blacktara]

Not letting Phoneutria get stablished into the hobby will help save people from possible bites thanks to rather stupid people who plays with species who shouldnt be messed with. (And take pictures to post on arachnid boards).

People should choose not to do silly things because they are silly and potentially harmful, not because they are declared illegal

Some day, some time, one of these do-good government laws or agencies is going to come down against YOU believe in strongly - of course I suspect you will then have a ready exdplanation why your case is the exception

If you desire Big Brother, then volunteer to be put under constant direct government supervision. Just dont volunteer me or anyone else for the same "service" (and try not to do it with money stolen from other people's wallets"

If we enact a law to regulate every single silly, pointless, or potentially harmful thing that human beingsa can conceive of doing, or if we try to create institutions to dole out assistance for every problem that affects some segment of society, then the human race will lose freedom, all stimulus, and anything and everything that makes life worth living. We will be a society forever bound in shackles to a controlled uninspiring, and meaningless existance that satisfies some entity's definition of "safe and fair"

Sounds like hell to me

 

[Beardo]

Wow.....the level of logic that is displayed here by some people is astounding. In a time where many exotic animal keepers are having to fight to keep their animals, I did not think that so many would be fine with telling other people what they should and should not keep.

I, for one, would love to keep Phoneutria....not because of their venom, but because I have not kept them before and enjoy keeping different species and observing them in captivity. I have kept just about every bug & herp on the market.....never been bit or stung by anything venomous. Why should someone ELSE have a say in what I choose to keep? Just because YOU are scared or don't have the ability to do something safely doesn't mean EVERYONE is the same.

 

[Fran]

Right. Thats why I dont keep them, cos Im scared.
Accidents dont happen to you, David beard, you are special.

If I ever read that any of the you mighty accidents free guys get bitten by one of those, I cant tell you I would be sorry.

And Blacktara...
Bah, why to waste time answering you...I will take Mister I advice and let it go.

 

[Fran]

YOU do not get to decide or legislate what I need. - and if I decide I need something, I do not have to justify that need to YOU

Right. If I have the need to kick you in the head, whos anybody to legislate my "needs".