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Pros and cons of popular tarantula YouTubers?

Discussion in 'Tarantula Chat' started by Asgiliath, May 17, 2019.

  1. Asgiliath

    Asgiliath Arachnoknight Active Member

    I was just browsing YouTube and because I regularly watch T related content, I always have folks like Exotics Lair, The Dark Den etc. show up on my suggested and it made me think — I’ve watched content like theirs and they have some problematic husbandry advice or none at all (side-eyeing Exotics Lair) BUT I do think that influencers like them have helped people see tarantulas and keeping them in a “different” or more positive way, if nothing else. Exposure itself is important. I’m not a fan of click bait video titles and the drama and whatever else but sometimes a little campiness can soften people’s views.

    Of course, entertainment focused YouTubers like these shouldn’t be seen as 100% knowledgeable (side-eyeing The Dark Den for his pairing mistakes) BUT all the same — thoughts on folks like these and the pros and cons of their influence within the hobby?
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  2. Minty

    Minty @londontarantulas

    For me personally,

    Pros: Entertainment. Visual representation of other husbandry methods.

    Cons: It all eventually becomes a little repetitive. Handling seems common.
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  3. Asgiliath

    Asgiliath Arachnoknight Active Member

    Definitely repetitive. Feeding and rehousing.
  4. Liquifin

    Liquifin Arachnoangel Active Member

    This answer is a controversial one. A good majority of new T. hobbyist are brought in by Youtubers like the Dark Den and Exotics Lair, which is a somewhat good thing. Everything else is almost a negative from there on. More hobbyist equals more demand of T.'s resulting in price inflations due to supply and demand issues and many more.

    These people are trying to make T.'s entertaining to lower the fear in arachnophobes, which is a good thing. But Youtube is a double-edged sword in terms of this hobby. Exotics Lair and The Dark Den are entertainment tarantula Youtubers that want to help people out. But in return, fans worship them like literal gods. Logically, they are swaying this hobby into a new course. Either good or bad, it's up to how you see it.

    The Dark Den is entertaining and I'm subscribed to his channel because it's fun and entertaining (I can admit this). But then again when a young enthusiasts person watches this, they instantly think this hobby is all rainbows and sunshine. Which in reality, there is also drawbacks and people who are really desperate to start with a cool dangerous OW T. than rather starting with a NW in this hobby. I like the Dark Den, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with everything he does, which is not a bad thing. Every keeper has their way of doing things, but they shouldn't encourage or show it to the audience on a normal basis like handling (in general) for example. Look, at the end of the day don't watch, but learn, research, and care for T.'s yourself to get your own personal taste on this hobby and not rely on one or two Youtubers to save you.

    Exotics Lair is wayyyyyy tooooo overrated. His enclosures are small, his ventilation is poor in his terrestrial enclosures and his explanations are wayyy too vague. I'd rather watch the Dark Den over Exotics Lair if I had to choose between the two. Exotics Lair should be called Exotics West Coast Exotics Jr. Not trying to be mean, but his enclosures are too small. Sure, they can do fine in them, but it's not an ideal enclosure for any T. He's so vague and uninformative on info. All he does is scratch on the bare basics on things. The only thing in depth he ever did was his dubia roach care video regarding animals. If I compare any bad youtuber (Deadlytarantulagirl,West Coast Exotics) to Exotics Lair, I can see how similar there enclosures can compare very closely. Poor levels of substrate, small or tight enclosures, flexing, and depressing. Now that I think about it, West Coast Exotics and Exotics Lair have about the same amount of substrate levels. Do I like Exotics Lair? Mostly no, even his T.'s don't like him that's why almost all rehouses results in bolting. In this case scenario, i'm cheering for the T.'s to escape from Exotics Lair and be free rather than being forced into a barely suitable enclosure. I'm pretty certain he's getting to a level where PETA is going to get involved. :troll::troll:
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  5. FrDoc

    FrDoc Gen. 1:24-25 Arachnosupporter

    I believe once you become engaged in the hobby, and by this I mean serious about knowing and learning about spiders, not thinking they’re cool, desiring to show your friends how fearless you are by handling, etc.. I think you find yourself less and less paying attention to many of the personalities identified above. One serious about the hobby knows how to rehouse, and use various husbandry techniques that have been learned and adapted to work well with their collections. They also know the resources to which to turn when they do have a question (shameless shout out for AB!). Many of us not only use the boards generally, but speaking for myself, I have gone to individuals here whom I know keep certain genera and/or species that I truly respect, for guidance and opinions. However, to get back to the specific context of this thread, there are YT channels that are very well done, and should appeal to the serious hobbyist. The one that takes first place in this category for me is birdspidersCH.
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  6. The Dark Den and Exotics Lair are kinda the two guys who got me into the hobby, so I can see the positives of them. Still watch Petko, EL not so much. Mind you, I'm almost 30 here, so I'm not a kid, and what I took away from EL's stuff ain't the same as what a kid would take away. His animals are so freaking patient and tolerant of the stuff he pulls that it's ridiculous.

    Watching them deal with so much before threat posturing and """attacking him aggressively""" kinda made me go "Huh, so if I just don't flail my hands wildly and try to provoke them, they're generally chill (for the most part)". It made them seem less scary, really. I wish he'd stop, though. That time when his T got her fangs tangled with fishing line because he wanted to show how "aggressive" she was was too much.
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  7. nicodimus22

    nicodimus22 Arachnomancer Arachnosupporter

    The only one with much credibility to me is Tom Moran. He's more educational than he is clickbaity, so he probably gets a lot less views.
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  8. cold blood

    cold blood Moderator Staff Member

    pros: They bring people into the hobby

    cons: new people tend to think way too highly if them and at times ignore better advice because of the pedastal they put these people on.

    General rule....the best, most expereinced keepers really dont do you tube vids.
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  9. Jim Cricket

    Jim Cricket Arachnopeon

    Watching these “All Stars” gave me confidence to make my first purchase. I mean if these wing nuts are keeping Ts.....

    I also think they set up new keepers for disappointment. Watching countless feeding and rehousing vids sets the bar pretty high. Then when the first tiny sling is purchased Its activity is lackluster, could make for a lot of turnover in the hobby.

    I also like Tom Moran, you can tell he’s a teacher.

    Watching DTG chase here Ts with a fish net makes me cringe.
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  10. Paul1126

    Paul1126 Arachnodemon

    The best part about this is when he gets mould in the moist enclosures with crappy ventilation he acts all surprised it happened.
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  11. Arachnophoric

    Arachnophoric Arachnoangel Arachnosupporter

    A lot of people really hit on all the points i'd make myself. Something I'm afraid of is that people will see these guys with pretty big followings like Petko and Exotics Lair and as a result think "hey, if I do what they do I can become a popular youtuber too!" They get into the hobby for the wrong reasons, buying Ts they're definitely not ready for and provide improper care due to their lack of knowledge/experience.

    I've already seen people who have taken video of them harassing their Ts for entertainment after the "teasing tarantula" videos came out, citing the popularity of EL's video as to why they were going to try it. Monkey see, monkey do.
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  12. Rhino1

    Rhino1 Arachnoknight

    I like terrarium builds on YouTube but I could look at enclosure builds all day.
    I liked the dark den a lot more until I saw the toe biter episode, no need to pick the poor fella up with tongs like that, lm aIso not a fan of "mystery animal" unboxing, I don't think it promotes responsible pet ownership at all.
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  13. Vanisher

    Vanisher Arachnoking Old Timer

    Spiderengineer- Pros I like him best, cos he is the one i have seen that kept his tarantulas the right way!

    Cons- He doesnt upload anymore
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  14. Enrgy

    Enrgy Arachnosquire

    i too watch him. along with tom and jon3800
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  15. Asgiliath

    Asgiliath Arachnoknight Active Member

    she does WHAT???
  16. Enrgy

    Enrgy Arachnosquire

    lol uses a fish net in place of a catch cup
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  17. Asgiliath

    Asgiliath Arachnoknight Active Member

    Well, that sounds...umm....”safe” smh
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  18. SmolBat

    SmolBat Arachnopeon

    As someone who was drawn into the hobby by Exotics Lair (and a dear friend constantly giving me updates on his own T's as he got back into the hobby), I do believe that the entertainment channels serve a purpose. They're kind of a "highlight reel" of just how interesting tarantulas can be. Granted, I knew that I was basically signing up for a pet rock that can make butt rope and flick urticating bristles ;P

    I did realize right out of the gates (before the friend even caught on that I was interested in owning T's) that EL didn't provide a ton of husbandry advice, but that was okay, I was still enamored with the idea of a shelf of tarantulas. I went and asked my friend for advice on good beginner T's and what sort of tips for husbandry he could share. He immediately offered the advice that keeps me from panicking every time I see one of the T's in a weird "spider yoga" position or notice they've burrowed a bit out of sight from the edge of their enclosure. "They've been at this spider thing longer than humans have been around, just keep an eye on them and trust them to do what is best for them". He also hastily directed me to Tom Moran's videos and website. That was where I got most of my actual advice for the enclosure setups and learned "if you get an Avic species or a former Avic species, don't mist the enclosure all the darn time".

    So yeah, I am in the firm camp that the youtubers have a place that is beneficial to the hobby. I know I can't be the only newbie that was drawn in by seeing the highlight reel and then going "I'll do homework on this!"
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  19. Goopyguy56

    Goopyguy56 Arachnobaron Active Member

    If I want to be entertained I will watch the dark den. If I want education, I watch tom Moran. If I want to cringe I watch that deadly tarantula girl.
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  20. EtienneN

    EtienneN Arachnonovelist-musician-artist Arachnosupporter

    I hate, hate, hate and despise how some of these people only seem to care about their tarantulas in terms of them being the latest and greatest 'props' for their videos. I used to like Tarantula Kat but then she started doing the same. Now I sometimes still watch Petko or Tarantula Dan and I just listen to Tom Moran's podcast.
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