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Poisonous plant identification

Discussion in 'Field Trips (Natural Habitats)' started by Cheshire, Jul 30, 2006.

  1. Cheshire

    Cheshire Arachnoking Old Timer

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    Poison ivy, or Rhus radicans is a scourge to us buggers and herpers. It's itchy rash is the stuff childhood summer camp stories are made of.

    So here's some pictures of poison ivy to help you stay away from it when you're out in the feild.

    We're all very aware of the old 'leaves of 3' saying, and while this is accurate quite a bit of the time there are many plants that look similars.

    Poison ivy is most easily distinguished by three leaves centered around a red stem in the center.

    One leaf always has a longer stem than the other
     

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  2. Cheshire

    Cheshire Arachnoking Old Timer

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    In this part, I am going to discuss how to identify Virginia Creeper.

    VIrginia creeper is a vine that looks almost identical to poison ivy. However, it is harmless. The plant usually has 5 leaves, but I've seen numbers ranging from three to seven.

    The leaves on virginia creeper can be about the same size as those of poison ivy, but have teeth on both margins that are finer and more in number than those of poison ivy.

    Both poison ivy and virginia creeper produce friut. Virginia creeper produces dark blue to black berries, while poison ivy's berries are white.

    Although virginia creeper's leaves all originate from a central stock, similar to poison ivy, The stems on virginia creeper plants aren't as pronounced as those of poison ivy.
     

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  3. Crotalus

    Crotalus Arachnoking Old Timer

    Thanks! That will come in handy. Allthough Im not too sensible to poision ivy - yet anyway.
     
  4. Arietans

    Arietans Arachnoknight

    Not to hijack a thread, but here's a tip for you guys.

    Identifying all the poisonous plants in Africa is a daunting task to say the least. So we have learnt a few other skills.

    1) Break open a leaf and a fruit. Rub it on your skin (not all over, just a little). If a rash starts to form, its poisonous.

    2) Watch the animals. They are picky eaters, and only go after things very tasty. If they avoid something its a good bet its poisonous. The perfect animals to watch are squirrels and monkeys.
     
  5. Tim Benzedrine

    Tim Benzedrine Prankster Possum Old Timer

    My mother swears that Virginia creeper poisons her. I've explained that it is not toxic and that she either A) Contacts poison ivy in the same vicinity that she noticed Virginia creeper since they often grow in the same place, or B) has her own unique allergy to the plant. I always correct her when she calls it "poison vine" and she keeps saying she is going to rub some on herself to prove it to me. Nevermind that I have proved it in reverse by handling it and not showing any signs of a reaction.

    Is poison ivy unique to the New World? If so, I'm sort of surprised that it hasn't been introduced elsewhere.
     
  6. DE3

    DE3 Arachnoknight Old Timer

    not a hijack, trying to be helpful

    Some other poison ivy observations:

    pi grows in many forms. it can be a small bush, or a gigantic one. it can be a ground crawling vine. or a tree climbing vine.

    pi will look much different in the early Spring, and the Fall than it does during the summer.

    one should be careful when collecting firewood from areas with pi. Even though the pi is dead and gone from the wood, inhaling smoke from "contaminated" firewood can lead to an internal allergic reaction!

    if you've been walking through poison ivy, (like I do) wash your clothes and shower-up at your earliest convienience.

    if you like to transplant trees collected in the woods, (usually something you'd do in the late fall or early spring) make sure the tree you're moving didnt have pi growing on it. This can be done by choosing your tree when it's still green out. People with high sensativity to pi (like my father) can get horrible reactions from "contaminated" wood.

    never say "I'm not allergic to pi"... But unless you are paticularily sensative to pi, dont live in fear of it -- just be sensible.
     
  7. Sheri

    Sheri Arachnoking

    You must also have poison oak as we do here - many find it worse than poison ivy...

    though I seem to have a decent natural resistance to it - I know I've exposed myself (once knowingly when I was much, much younger) and never had a reaction.

    Of course... there was a time urticating hairs didn't bother me either. ;)

    I was a little surprised that Lelle has not suffered from it yet, as he's never been exposed, even in small doses.
     
  8. skinheaddave

    skinheaddave SkorpionSkin Arachnosupporter

    I was under the impression that "poison oak," where you are, is just a misnomer for the bush form of poison ivy. I think you have to go further west or further south to get the "real" poison oak.

    Cheers,
    Dave
     
  9. Sheri

    Sheri Arachnoking

    Interesting!

    It seems as though we have;
    Rhus glabra (poison sumac)
    Rhus radicans (poison ivy)

    I've never even heard of poison sumac before!
     
  10. Cheshire

    Cheshire Arachnoking Old Timer

    I've yet to run across poison oak or poison sumac.

    If I could find either of them, I'd post identification tips for them.

    As I've never run across either, I don't know how to identify them.

    DE3: I found a large stand of poison ivy growing near my house that displays growth forms I didn't post here, as well as berries. Pics will be up in a week or two, as time permits.

    If anyone has access to stinging nettles, poison oak or sumac please post ID tips here.
     
  11. DE3

    DE3 Arachnoknight Old Timer

    http://www.uihealthcare.com/topics/allergies/alle4159.html
     
  12. DE3

    DE3 Arachnoknight Old Timer

    ivy, oak, sumac

    Here's a distribution map: http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=TOXIC
    However, I'd argue that poison oak extends further North than indicated


    Here is where things get muddy, with hybrids:
    http://www.survivaliq.com/survival/app-poisonous-plants-poison-ivy-and-poison-oak.htm
     
  13. DE3

    DE3 Arachnoknight Old Timer

    Exactly!!!
     
  14. Crotalus

    Crotalus Arachnoking Old Timer

    I have acctually but it didnt bother me much then
    Maybe its the same chemical setup as in nettles? If so I been exposed to those all my life
     
  15. Brian S

    Brian S ArachnoGod Old Timer

    We are blessed with both PI and PO around here.
     
  16. Ganoderma

    Ganoderma Arachnobaron Old Timer

    another one for the list is Devils Club. only by water, usually rivers, but man does it hurt. some of the indians apperantly have used it in medicine on vancouver island.

    i was watching a program on TV about stinging netal and using it for muscle and joint pains such as arthritis.
     
  17. ArachnoCrazy

    ArachnoCrazy Arachnoknight Old Timer

    i have ran around in nettles my whole life and now i seem to become immune to them because i can pick it and play with it and i have no reaction to it any more.
     
  18. Thoth

    Thoth Arachnoprince Old Timer

    I'm suprised no one mentioned in the vine form of poison ivy apears to be a hairy rope.

    Lelle probably has not been exposed enough to poison ivy to develope a reaction. Oddly enough the first few times a person is exposed to poison ivy, they have no to little reaction, but those exposures serve to sensitize you to it, so subsequent exposures result in worse reactions to it. There is some thing about the oils in the plant which cause the reaction which acts as a sensitizer so you never become 'immune" to poison ivy but with repeated exposure things can get worse.
     
  19. DE3

    DE3 Arachnoknight Old Timer

    Still fairly juicey looking for late summer poison ivy

    [​IMG]
     
  20. Cheshire

    Cheshire Arachnoking Old Timer

    Actually, virginia creeper contains chemicals that a select few percentages of the population may be allergic to.

    Wow...so much with this thread I forgot to do. Hopefully I can find the time to do it with the little amount of time I have before winter.
     
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