pics of my friend's puppies he got today

[fiveohatch]

my friend and i went and picked up his new puppies today. he got two female Catahoula Leopard dogs.

we had fun playing with them for a few hours before they passed out in my lap (1st pic i think).

edit: they're 8 weeks old right now.

anyways, here are the pics.

 

[pitbulllady]

Those are some gorgeous Catahoulas! I breed Catahoulas myself, and those are some really great-looking pups! Do you know who the breeder is, and what the bloodlines are? I also hope your friend knows what he's getting into, since adult Catahoulas can be quite a handful, and usually don't play well with others, if you get my meaning. Spotted Labradors or hounds they most definately are NOT! After a certain age, he most likely won't be able to keep two females together, since Catahoulas are typically very aggressive towards other dogs of the same sex, except when working, when they will USUALLY concentrate on their prey instead of each other, but if they get into a fight, be prepared with breaking sticks, 'cause these dogs will not quit! I have to hand it to your friend and you to have enough energy to wear out not one, but TWO Catahoula puppies, since these dogs have got more energy than a bunch of Red Bull taste testers! And, if he decides he can handle the breed, or has prior experience with it, and wants a male to compliment these girls later, I have a nice litter available right now myself!

pitbulllady

 

[fiveohatch]

http://boarhunts.hypermart.net/

that's the guy he got them from. i'm not sure what the bloodlines are, but he said they were really good (i'm pretty stupid when it comes to stuff like that). he's also got a huge yard and a very large orchard behind his house where they can chase stuff. there are lots of deer and rabbits and other stuff around there. they should be able to keep themselves busy.

he's done quite a bit of research on them and talked to the breeder a lot, so he knows what he's getting into for the most part. they were pretty tired from the ride home (2.5 hours). they played for about an hour or so and then crashed.

i attached a pic of them getting washed off after we got back. both of them threw up in the car on the way home and got some on them (some got on my seat too, but washed off).

 

[WhyTeDraGon]

They are adorable, my state dog They dont look too happy with that bath though

 

[fiveohatch]

yeah, they went from the car, out of the crates and straight into the bath. they were fine 10 minutes later once they got outside.

 

[pitbulllady]

I'm familiar with Hornitos Catahoulas in CA. They have a lot of Wager bloodlines, which is one of the lines behind many of my own dogs.

Those pups in the tub do NOT look like happy little campers, LOL! You'd think that this was some sort of vile dog torture from the looks on those faces! I have had many Catahoulas which go through a car-sickness phase, especially when they are young. Most will outgrow it, but some don't. It's really no fun to have a large dog puke all over the inside of your car, believe me. I usually don't keep those, because it's really a pain to try to hunt with them when they've been sick by the time you get out to the swamp. You can't give them anything for it if you're going hunting, since it makes them drowsy, and a drowsy dog is soon to be a DEAD dog when the quarry is a 300-lb. Russian boar!

pitbulllady

 

[Spider-man 2]

AWWWW, look at that face!

 

[fiveohatch]

I'm familiar with Hornitos Catahoulas in CA. They have a lot of Wager bloodlines, which is one of the lines behind many of my own dogs.

Those pups in the tub do NOT look like happy little campers, LOL! You'd think that this was some sort of vile dog torture from the looks on those faces! I have had many Catahoulas which go through a car-sickness phase, especially when they are young. Most will outgrow it, but some don't. It's really no fun to have a large dog puke all over the inside of your car, believe me. I usually don't keep those, because it's really a pain to try to hunt with them when they've been sick by the time you get out to the swamp. You can't give them anything for it if you're going hunting, since it makes them drowsy, and a drowsy dog is soon to be a DEAD dog when the quarry is a 300-lb. Russian boar!

pitbulllady

his girlfriend took them down to our work because people wanted to see them and they were fine in the car. i guess they got over it after the trip back.


they weren't even happy being in the house. they've never been inside so i guess they were freaked out from that too. a few minutes after they got outside though, they were happy and playing.

 

[pitbulllady]

they weren't even happy being in the house. they've never been inside so i guess they were freaked out from that too. a few minutes after they got outside though, they were happy and playing.[/QUOTE]


This is typical of Catahoulas. They have this "don't fence me in" mentality, even though containment is an absolute MUST with this breed, as it is with Pits, Akitas, etc. They are bred to be first and foremost working dogs, and are generally very destructive when kept indoors unless closely supervised or at least crate trained. They need a job to do. Most of mine hate being inside and will literally tear the house apart to get back outside, even if they were raised indoors. I've had two different Catahoulas smash through storm windows to get out, and one chew through an aluminum door. Never underestimate their determination when it comes to achieving their goals! On a plus side, they usually are very easy to housebreak, especially the girls, and can "hold it" for a remarkably long time if they need to. They also have the softest, velvetiest coats, especially when they are puppies. They feel like a horse's nose. I love the breed, but they sure are a handful, much more difficult to deal with than Pit Bulls!

Here's a pic of some of the pups in my present litter, which was taken a couple of weeks ago.

pitbulllady

 

[fiveohatch]

those are pretty cute.

i like the one with the two blue eyes.

the spotted one my buddy got had one blue eye but it changed color in the 3 weeks from when he picked them out to when he got them.

 

[pitbulllady]

Yeah, their eyes will often change color, and it can be hard to say for certain what color the eyes will be in the merle pups until they are at least 7-8 weeks old. What looks like blue at 5 weeks will often turn green, then hazel. The solids will not have blue eyes, of course, since the blue is the result of the merle gene, which is a dominant gene. That pup in the center does have two "glass" eyes, though. He's supposed to be sold, but the guy who pup a deposit on him when he was three weeks old has simply disappeared, and will not return my calls or anything, so I'm in a quandary as to what to do with him-hold onto him a bit longer, sell him and give the guy back his deposit or a choice of a pup from another litter IF he shows up, or what. I know the guy, and he has a habit of taking off and just disappearing for a few YEARS at a time, without telling anyone.

pitbulllady

 

[fiveohatch]

i'd just try to get hold of him a few more times. leave a message or something saying if you don't hear from him by xxx then the puppy is for sale again and you'll return his deposit.

 

[versimomma]

I am not familiar with this breed at all.
They are very beautiful :worship: . I love your pups PitB.Lady.
Does speying them stop them from fighting when older?

 

[pitbulllady]

I am not familiar with this breed at all.
They are very beautiful :worship: . I love your pups PitB.Lady.
Does speying them stop them from fighting when older?

This is a US breed, native to Louisiana, which is bred almost strictly as a working dog or for hunting large wild game, especially wild boar. Catahoula breeders who are concerned about the breed do not try to promote them as household pets. They are large, VERY powerful, and independent in nature, and like working-strain Border Collies, have an enormous amount of engery which can find highly destructive outlets if the dog is bored. Although the American Kennel Club does accept the breed into their Foundation Stock Registery, the vast majority of Catahoula breeders do not wish for them to reach full AKC status, since most dogs in AKC and other large registeries have lost all of their original working/hunting abilities in favor of uniform pretty looks. It's hard to have a perfect show dog which can still do what its breed was created for, since the whims of the show ring go contrary to what makes a dog a working dog. AKC has actually been very understanding and is not actively seeking out breeders who wish to form an AKC-associated club for the breed.
Spaying/neutering has NO effect on dog-aggression in Catahoulas, since this does NOT result from sex drive or hormones. This breed's ancestors included the now-extinct Alano Mastiff(or Alaunt, depending on which part of Europe you're in), an old fighting/war dog which got to US shores by being part of the arsenal of the Spanish Conquistadores in the 1500's. The breed is hard-wired for a love of battle, just like their relative, the American Pit Bull Terrier, in the same way that a Border Collie loves herding things. These dogs have an unbelievable tolerance for pain, and most likely get an endorphine "high" when in a combat situation, whether they are male or female. In the frontier days of Louisiana and Texas, dogs had to fight to survive, and so this trait came about as a "survival of the fittest" situation. The ones who could fight and win, got to stay alive and breed. Spaying would actually increase testosterone levels in a female, so would most likely increase the urge to fight as well. I know that my 12 1/2-year-old foundation female, who is now spayed, will still not pass up an opportunity to dive on another female dog if I give her the slightest opportuntity! This is why breeders have to be so careful who they sell dogs to, and why any prospective new owner had better know what they are getting into. Catahoulas also have a very high prey drive, as would benefit a hunting breed, and will go after small animals. They simply do not seem to recognize the difference between a small dog and a rabbit or rodent or armadillo until it's too late.


pitbulllady

 

[fiveohatch]

i decided to update this thread in case anyone is doing a search on these dogs.

pitbulllady was right about keeping them together.

they got in a bad fight and one ended up needing surgery (her leg got torn up pretty bad). they are now separated unless there is a person there to watch each one, even then it's still sketchy.

you must know what you are getting into before getting some of these dogs.

they're both just under 50 pounds right now. they started playing after the fight (one stil had stitches and staples in her leg) and we had to break them up. even at that weight, the mostly white one was still pulling me around (i'm 6'5 280lbs).

i just want anyone that might be considering one (or more) of these dogs to make sure you know what you're getting into.

they are very friendly and loving dogs around people they know (my buddy, his gf and me). they haven't really been around other dogs much so i'm not sure how they'll react around them (except his neighbors old dog, they cornered it and barked a lot).

 

[pitbulllady]

Glad you posted that, fiveohatch. A lot of people see Catahoula pups and assume that they are some sort of hound or a Lab with spots, when they are about as far from that as you can get! When you consider that your friend's pups are just a bit over six months old, very much still babies who don't even have all their adult teeth yet, yet can inflict injuries so serious as to require surgery to fix it, it really puts things in perspective. Catahoulas will usually continue to grow and mature until they are around three years old, so those two girls have a long way to go before they are fully-grown, even if they are over 50 pounds now. When you see the sort of hardships being inflicted upon the Louisiana bayous right now due to those two hurricanes, keep in mind that this is the environment, hurricanes included, that this breed evolved in. They are bred to survive at all costs.

The pups are "baying up" the neighbor's dog now. That is how they corner wild boars, by cornering it and barking, and then catching and holding if it breaks and runs. Later, as they get older, they will kill the other dog, so they will have to be kept away from it. You're probably seeing them get more and more suspicious of strangers, most likely even acting shy or fearful at this point, which is normal for Catahoula pups, especially females, of that age. As they get older, that fear will begin to transform into aggression.

A good friend of mine in TN who also breeds Catahoulas recently had a fight break out between one of her males and her 80-pound male Pit Bull. She had to use a rag soaked in starter fluid to drape over their heads and literally knock them out in order to get them apart, as the Catahoula had a grip on the Pit's lower jaw/throat area. The Catahoula suffered a torn ear in the fray, but a few days later, the Pit Bull developed a large absess on the back of his lower jaw and neck. It failed to respond to three different courses of antibiotics, so surgery was needed to open it and drain it. The first draining only proved a temporary thing; as soon as the drains were removed, the absess and fever returned, so the vet began to suspect a foreign body was embedded in there somewhere. About that time my friend noticed that the Catahoula was missing a lower canine tooth, which she hadn't noticed missing before. Guess what the vet found, embedded in the bone of the Pit Bull's lower jaw.

pitbulllady

 

[fiveohatch]

here are a bunch of recent pics of my buddies dogs. these were all taken earlier this week.

edit: one thing we realized is that if you're holding one of them and the other one comes close, the one you're holding will start growling at the other. also if you grab them by the collars (to get them out of the bushes) they'll start fighting. it's getting a little bit easier since we're figuring out what situations will make them fight.


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[pitbulllady]

They are really turning out to be nice examples of the breed, even though they are in that growth stage that large-breed dog owners refer to as "The Uglies" right now! The black leopard with the one glass eye is the better-looking of the two, though the blue leopard seems to be the most aggressive. Seriously, though, I wouldn't even let them together at all by this point, since with these dogs, even a brief scuffle can still result in serious injuries, and that one pic of the two dogs almost getting into it while the girl was holding them was downright scary. The last thing on earth I'd want would be for two Catahoulas to get into a full-blown fight right on top of me-NASTY way to go, if you ask me!

pitbulllady

 

[fiveohatch]

they were only playing in the one pic. they play pretty rough but don't get in fights most of the time. most of the time they'll be fine with each other for a week or so and then get in a couple of fights, then be ok with each other again. as soon as they start growling at each other or eyeballing each other my buddy puts them in their separate pens for the night. it's seemed to work overall.

the black leopard is the dominant of the two as well.

most of the time when they're around each other they're fine. if you yell at them right when they start growling they'll usually stop. they'll just eyeball eachother so they still get put in their pens.

they're only together for a couple of hours a night usually. it seems like they're pretty happy just sitting on the couch with one person and falling asleep or having their bellies rubbed.

it's still pretty stressfull since we're watching every move they make when they're even close to each other.

it's always a learning experience though. luckily they've only had the one big fight so far.

they've also finally learned "sit" and "lay down" which is kind of nice.

btw, the blue leopard is the more playful of the two. she always gets the other one wound up and they chase each other all over the yard (they never try to fight when doing this). the black leopard is the one who usually starts the fights.

 

[versimomma]

Its great to see the update on this. It also shows that Pitbull lady is extremley knowledgeable and you guys should adhere to what she says. I dont thinks its worth it to risk losing or injuring either dogs.