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phonutria sac when to pull and how to know if its furtile?

Discussion in 'Other Spiders & Arachnids' started by brownj6709, Aug 22, 2010.

  1. brownj6709

    brownj6709 Arachnopeon

    Just bought a a/f p. nig off a mate she has a sac but he doesnt know wether its furtile and i cant work it out either is there anyway other than time that will tell? and also as its my first true sac do you pull and incubate like T sacs or do you leave em to hatch (i cant leave the sac with mom coz shes in an exo and i dont want the babys escaping lol)
  2. Philth

    Philth N.Y.H.C. Arachnosupporter

    ut oh, 20 page thread alert;)

    Later, Tom
  3. brownj6709

    brownj6709 Arachnopeon

    im guessin its about 6-8 weeks temp dependant :S
  4. NevularScorpion

    NevularScorpion Arachnoangel Arachnosupporter

    are you from U.S. ? my only advice to you is to make sure that the slings are in a secured place when they hatch out of the sac. the sac will usually look darker which mean that the babies molted to second instar already and ready to come out.
  5. brownj6709

    brownj6709 Arachnopeon

    after looking at other phoneutria sacs this one looks ither allot smaller or infertile as its rather small compaired to others.
    ill try get a couple of picks up later 2day.
  6. Fran

    Fran Arachnoprince

    Hopefully its not fertile. I might be wrong, but It doesnt sound you are ready to handle them.
  7. delherbe

    delherbe Arachnosquire


    if its a true nigriventer than I think the sack isn`t fertile. If fertile - 4 weeks.

    Let the Spider incubate. Self incubating will not work.
  8. brownj6709

    brownj6709 Arachnopeon

    yea cheers for the replys after allot of thought ive decided it was a daft move and phoneutria arent the one for me lol.
  9. Violet

    Violet Arachnosquire

    Comments like these make me nervous.
  10. Fran

    Fran Arachnoprince

    Actually I preffer his reaction and his honesty, rather than ignore the advice.
  11. Violet

    Violet Arachnosquire

    Surely a large amount of research should have been done prior to getting one, perhaps keeping similar species (e.g. Cupiennius sp.) or getting in touch with more experianced keepers. I guess nothing beats first hand experiance though.
  12. Violet

    Violet Arachnosquire

    To be honest, I was really jumping to conclusions here, I do not know brownj6709's experiance or knowledge. I apologise.
  13. zonbonzovi

    zonbonzovi Creeping beneath you Staff Member

    Kudos to you for knowing your limits:clap:

    I'd bet you could easily make a swap with a keeper that has previous experience with these & perhaps give it a shot when you're more prepared.

    That said...I would love to see some pix.
  14. Venom

    Venom Arachnoprince Old Timer

    Just please...don't kill the sac. Like was said...send mommy and sac to someone who will raise them. We need good breeders of these spiders.
  15. BCscorp

    BCscorp Arachnoprince Old Timer

    I may be out of my depth here...but...why?
    I cant help but think of all the inexperience that is shown on this forum daily about tarantulas...then thinking someone that level of experience thinkin "Oh, Imma get myself a phoneutria" and things go wrong....

    Just my opinion on a spider I'd never keep nor recommend anyone keep unless they were an educational institute etc.
  16. Venom

    Venom Arachnoprince Old Timer

    Oh, I agree that only people who know what they're doing should keep them, let alone breed them. The rub is...they're hard to breed. Those who are capable of keeping them safely need to be establishing a solid population to breed from, or the expert keepers won't have these for very long either. They don't live forever...so you either breed them up into a stable population, or they're out of the hobby again. It took a LOOONG time to get these in the States. We need to increase the population of these in US captivity in order to permanently establish them in the North American hobby, or they will die out, and it will be another loooong time before we get these here again.

    The same is true for Macrothele--another long desired, and just now acquired genus in the US hobby. We need to breed 'em to keep 'em.
  17. Fran

    Fran Arachnoprince

    I dont think Phoneutria should be stablished in the hobby, and I actually hope it doesnt.
    That is bomb waiting to explode. Too many careless kids.
    We could end up having gold fish in our tanks.
  18. I also don't agree with this spider being a species for 'the hobby' or as a pet, but only for professional arachnologists or entomologists with a need to study them for educational purposes about venom, for instance.
  19. bluefrogtat2

    bluefrogtat2 Arachnoangel Old Timer

    i have had them in the past,they are a very difficult species to even keep alive yet alone breed..i would love to see pics,and not only would i take the specimen but would pay for it...lol(i personally would love to see these established with some of the more experienced keepers in the states,they make a very interesting captive for sure)
  20. Venom

    Venom Arachnoprince Old Timer

    Not to get inflammatory, but I don't see why you have such an issue with Phoneutria being in the hobby, when the US herp hobby has had cobras and puff adders for decades without inducing an apocalypse. Do you really think Phoneutria are worse?

    "Kids" and novices are not going to buy Phoneutria if the community of hobbyists does its job educating them and encouraging responsible decision-making about what to keep, and what to put off for later. That's our job as experts.

    I am glad we have Phoneutria, and I am glad we have Sicarius. I wish we had Missulena also. Personally, I would not keep an Atrax-Hadronyche, nor would I keep a P.fera/ nigriventor. BUT, I don't think my personal safety preferences should dictate availability of those species to other hobbyists who would be ok with keeping them. Expert-only spiders have a good home among the experts, and I think they should be kept in the US hobby by and for the more experienced and knowledgable keepers.

    I think all the above species should remain available, and we should just make wise decisions individually about what we keep, instead of making blanket statements about what should be kept from the hobby as a whole.
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