Phoneutria Pics - or - Let's Try "Things I Wouldnt Do" for $2000, Alex

[blacktara]

Was sifting thru some stuff on another forum and ran across these. I gotta tell you, actually holding it cant be half as risky as what goes into getting a hold of it

http://venomlist.com/forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=3112

http://venomlist.com/forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=3110

http://venomlist.com/forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=3111

I read the rules regarding pics and as far as I can tell, posting a link is ok. If not, admin please delete and let me know so I wont repeat the offense

 

[Stylopidae]

I think I can see his testicles on the horizon.

Oh...wait, sunrise. Right.

What an idiot.

 

[Crotalus]

I reckognize those pictures.
I think its a scientist holding that spider on the picture and not some 2-weeks-in-the-hobby enthusiast

 

[Cigarman]

Still regardless, thats one risky proposition. If they are as fast as reported, one could be in for a interesting time holding that little cuss.

 

[Jmadson13]

what about anasthetics? I wonder if the spider was put to sleep for a short period of time for milking. Still crazy in my opinion though.

 

[bistrobob85]

I think the last option would be the best... cooling down the spider to make it slower would defenetly make it more possible too... If i ever were to do this, you can make sure that i would have a really cooled down p.nigriventer and i'd still get horrible cold sweats!!!!

phil.

 

[Crotalus]

I think the last option would be the best... cooling down the spider to make it slower would defenetly make it more possible too... If i ever were to do this, you can make sure that i would have a really cooled down p.nigriventer and i'd still get horrible cold sweats!!!!

phil.

If you know how to handle a animal you dont need to sedate it. Most people do not need to handle a potent spider like on the pictures.

 

[lucanidae]

The problem isn't handling it, it's getting ahold of it!
That specimen looks strange to me, possibly frozen. Also, CO2 is used in labs to knock out specimens, this could also be the case. If not, I'm amazed.

 

[blacktara]

I reckognize those pictures.
I think its a scientist holding that spider on the picture and not some 2-weeks-in-the-hobby enthusiast

Which would be proof that there are idiot scientists

 

[blacktara]

If you know how to handle a animal you dont need to sedate it. Most people do not need to handle a potent spider like on the pictures.

Exactly who DOES need to handle this critter? Aside from someone involved in harvesting venom for serious research purposes, I cant think of one reason that in the end is justifiable. I know that most phoneuitria bites are actually not serious, tho they may be uncomfortable. I know that very few are life threatening. Still, this isnt just about living vs dying if you get bitten.

Think this thru. If you get bitten, you WILL go to an ER and see a doctor. That will incur several hundred to several thousand dollars of medical bills, depending on how sick you are and whether or not you get admitted to the hospital. EVEN if YOU have insurance and it costs YOU nothing, incurring that kind of burden on the system for the sake of what? - rescuing a hurt spider? harvesting an egg sac? - In the end, those kind of reasons just dont cut it.

That said, heck the one they are holding could be dead and about to be mounted and hung.

 

[Malhavoc's]

Why does it have to be a stupid scientist or a hobby list, There are several reasons that hadneling a specimen is necceasry I dont remember us having any devoloped technolodege (feesable at least) that would allow us the dextrus manipulation of such a specimen without hand contact in the very least. The naimal would most likely be sedated if it is in the name of science and hte pictures taken would be for a scientific reason as well (I would hope) perhaps the best answer to this is to emial where the pictures origionate.

 

[Crotalus]

Exactly who DOES need to handle this critter? Aside from someone involved in harvesting venom for serious research purposes, I cant think of one reason that in the end is justifiable.

You answered the question.

 

[Crotalus]

The problem isn't handling it, it's getting ahold of it!
That specimen looks strange to me, possibly frozen. Also, CO2 is used in labs to knock out specimens, this could also be the case. If not, I'm amazed.

I dont think its that difficult to pin it down and then hold it.
And no, i havent done it but i dont need to extract venom either

 

[Crotalus]

Think this thru. If you get bitten, you WILL go to an ER and see a doctor. That will incur several hundred to several thousand dollars of medical bills, depending on how sick you are and whether or not you get admitted to the hospital. EVEN if YOU have insurance and it costs YOU nothing, incurring that kind of burden on the system for the sake of what? - rescuing a hurt spider? harvesting an egg sac? - In the end, those kind of reasons just dont cut it.

That depends entirerly where you live. Dont make assumptions that every country have the same medical system as USA. In Sweden a bite would cost me 50 US dollar or so.
Burden of the system? Ok, then we shouldnt treat people with broken legs they got while skiing, mountain climbing or riding a motorcycle...

 

[Sheri]

Think this thru. If you get bitten, you WILL go to an ER and see a doctor. That will incur several hundred to several thousand dollars of medical bills, depending on how sick you are and whether or not you get admitted to the hospital. EVEN if YOU have insurance and it costs YOU nothing, incurring that kind of burden on the system for the sake of what? - rescuing a hurt spider? harvesting an egg sac? - In the end, those kind of reasons just dont cut it.

It is this kind of thinking in the medical system that scares me.

Following that through... all medical emergencies and treatments with the exception of those that are impossible to avoid the risk of (like heart attacks in an otherwise healthy nonsmoking, non-obese patient), aneurysms etc are a drain on the system.

For those of us that like to live life through passions and hobbies... that attitude does not warrant us medical care should we experience an accident of some kind.

What about STD's which are often the result of risktaking? Lelle mentioned physical sports/hobbies that often result in injuries. Race car driving? Cycling? What about smokers? Fast food and soda addicts? Hikers that get too close to a bear? Akita owners?

Canada has a social medicine - as a result of operating such a system right next door to a lucrative private one, we lose a lot of our qualified doctors and nurses to the US. Increasingly, I hear the same attitude here, and there have been doctors that refuse to treat smokers as they have starting qualifying who deserves treatment based on lifestyle.

Imagine the first doctor in a democratic society that advocates mandatory abortions for babies with "costly" birth defects. I'm not sure it's so far away, based on the trend I am seeing in North America.

 

[Gigas]

id do it for 2 large