Pets You Bought That You Regret Soon After?

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Either cuz it died early or too expensive then not your type or whatever reasons... what pets made you feel bad about the purchase?

For me, its the emilia that died last week. Bought it for $28 and it died on me!
 

RoachGirlRen

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I've never regretted an animal I've deliberately purchased or adopted really, since I usually do plenty of research and know what I'm getting into. However, I got misleading info on common goldfish when I first started fishkeeping; I didn't realize that most of the care sheets out there are about housing requirements for fancy goldfish. Needless to say, I wasn't happy about buying a 75g tank for two ten cent feeder fish who turned into 10" monsters, knowing full well I'd have to upgrade to a good 200-500+g bin or pond in another couple of years. :rolleyes:
I also regret one of my current rescues somewhat. I found a three legged young bullfrog emaciated and weak on the side of the road, and because he can't jump well, he's not releasable. Which means I'm going to spend many years with a large, foul-smelling, vocal, nervous creature that needs a good 75+g home. Ack. I thankfully have the 75g tank left over from my goldfish fiasco (one died due to egg binding, so I now have a 100g with the surviving male), so it isn't too much of a burden on the pocket book. But I'm not looking fowards to WC's! {D
 

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hermit crabs

all WC and currently unbreedable in captivity

i bought a crab for $5 and then read up on it and ended up buying some companions and dropping something like $50 on the little jerks. had two crawl out of their shells and die so i gave it up as a bad business and gave the survivors and the cage and all their stupid crap to a coworker
 

moose35

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those madagascar giant pillbugs.....errrr( yea they eat crushed peas)



moose
 

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My pair of Phrynomantis bifasciatus the only time i saw them was when i put them in the tank. Since then never saw then again i asume they stil live because the crickets disapear:eek:.
 

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hermit crabs

all WC and currently unbreedable in captivity

i bought a crab for $5 and then read up on it and ended up buying some companions and dropping something like $50 on the little jerks. had two crawl out of their shells and die so i gave it up as a bad business and gave the survivors and the cage and all their stupid crap to a coworker
oh yeah, and MAN!! do they smell when they :eek: die
 

ZooRex

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I felt bad when two years in a row I bought WC white-lipped tree frogs form Reptile depot and they both died within two weeks. The first time it happened I thought it was my mistake, but by the second time I learned my leason: no more Reptile depot and no more WC animals.

I'm also happy to anounce that I've added a Long term captive XL white lip from Sandfire Dragon Ranch to my collection. She is apsolutly amazing and I couldn't be happier. ~ Rex
 

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In hindsight, I would not haven taken on a green iguana. Mine lived for seven years, which I imagine is longer than many make it, but still it's lifespan was abbreviated, probably by a factor of at least one-half. Part of my mistake was my misconception that all iguanas were laid back, friendly lizards and as such, simple to administer care to. As I am all too aware of now, that is not always the case.
In my defense, exotics were much harder to research back in those days, and I did the best I could with the limited knowledge base I had to fall upon. That's still a pretty poor excuse, I realize.
 

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Leopard geckos and emperor scorpions. Both were very boring and difficult feeders. I finally sold the leo and gave the scorpions away.
 

mrbonzai211

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hermit crabs

all WC and currently unbreedable in captivity

i bought a crab for $5 and then read up on it and ended up buying some companions and dropping something like $50 on the little jerks. had two crawl out of their shells and die so i gave it up as a bad business and gave the survivors and the cage and all their stupid crap to a coworker
Dude, that's totally because you were misled on how to care for them. Hermit crabs, depending on what species you buy, is actually one of the harder pets to take care of which is why they always end up dead. Hermit crabs breath through modified gills which means they need humidity to breath. Anything less than 70% (75-80% ideal) and their gills slowly dehydrate over days or months depending on the conditions and they slowly suffocate and die. Going naked, like you described with your crabs, is the ultimate sign of a sick crab. Crabs will NEVER willingly leave their shells unless they are switching for a new one or the only other reason would be as a precursor to death after being exposed to unfit conditions. They also need at least 6 inches of EE or playsand (calcisand smells bad when wet) so they can burrow down and destress. Stress is probably the #1 killer of crabs. They will usually spend a couple weeks to a few months burrowed down in the substrate after you bring them home from the store. As a general rule: a stressed crab is a dead crab. They also need the deep substrate to be able to burrow down and molt. Crabs need to molt to grow and they also need calcium supplements to be able to molt and regrow their exos. In addition, their ability to release the hormones necessary to molt are greatly inhibited when their bodies sense light. If a crab is forced to surface molt there's a good chance he wont make it through it. Molting is made even more difficult because they remain soft for a long period of time after they molt. The whole molting process usually takes one month but my largest crab took 5 months from start to finish. The last, and often overlooked issue with crabs, is their diet. The commercial foods out on the market are fully of preservatives. As we all know with our T's, even the slightest chemicals are deadly. Anyways, these chemicals build up in the crabs system causing molting complications later in life. Crabs should be fed fresh or freeze dried fruits, nuts, freeze dried shrimp, and any other produce items or sources of protein (freeze dried krill and shrimp are great because they provide protein and calcium... protein and calcium deficient crabs often turn cannibalistic).

The basic thing I want to say here is that crabs are not the toy pets people think they are. Out of all the reptiles, inverts, and amphibians I've owned in my lifetime, these guys are my biggest challenge. While I do care for more exotic breeds like the C. perlatus (known as the strawberry crab, is the most beautiful of all, and is EXTREMELY sensitive and are a challenge even for experts... also is on the endangered species list in Australia), C. rugosus (my personal favorite), C. brevimanus (the indo crab), and of course the C. clypeatus which is captured in Florida.


Also, they are incapable of carrying salmonella so don't believe the crap they tell you at the store!!!!!!!! (washing your hands before and after handling is still preferred though)

Here's a pic of my pink ruggie


Apollo my jumbo PP


My baby strawberry during his salt water bath I give them all before introducing them to the tank


Dr. Zoidburg ( large straw )


And Aries my black ruggie

 

Choobaine

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Yeah the pet store near me has some knowledge of herps but seem to mistreat the less sold animals. I got a diamond dove (first alarm call it isn't plural) for about a fifth of the price and the thing lived for a while but died not long after. One tanzanian red leg millipeded was kept in dry soil without food for weeks. I took it home (for half price, I'd bought her sister a few months earlier) and it dropped dead within the month. My first lizard was a bosc monitor. I said again and again the animal was sick. No one beleived me, I gave it in for observation for a weekend away and once I returned it was dead. To be fair they did give me a bearded dragon in return worth double the price and he's big and healthty now. Oh and the mantis with the injured leg, I took it home, noticed and told them. My first mantis too. They didn't take it back, even on day one. (outrage) When it had finally shed into adulthood it had affected her and she died too. So yeah... they have more animals they can keep. They look after their tarantulas but the stranger bugs don't have a chance. I still love that store to bits but oh well.
 

RoachGirlRen

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Why ever do you keep shopping there if they continually sell you sickly and injured animals? Seems like it not only is a lot of grief for you, but supporting the sort of irresponsible vendors that give the exotics hobby a bad name!
 

cacoseraph

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The commercial foods out on the market are fully of preservatives. As we all know with our T's, even the slightest chemicals are deadly. Anyways, these chemicals build up in the crabs system causing molting complications later in life.


Also, they are incapable of carrying salmonella so don't believe the crap they tell you at the store!!!!!!!! (washing your hands before and after handling is still preferred though)


well, it's obvious you went to a lot of trouble and what not for you crabs, which is very cool... i just wanted to touch on two things here


the chemicals thing... unless you have been reading a HELL of a lot of stuff i just plain don't have access to we don't actually know all that much about tarnatula like, chemobiology. compared to more economically significant species we basically know no hard facts specifically about tarantulas and must infer from other animals. and... water is a chemical. it might seem like nitpicking but when we are dealing with animal health i think being as accurate as reasonably possible is probably the way to go. and in point of fact my bugs have seemed to be reasonably resistant to what one would assume to be *deletorious* chemicals. i used to water them with California, San Bernardino County, Rialto tap water.... which is famours for being hideous stuff. i produce get with the best of them, on a percentage of success basis :)


and salmonella.... how can hermies not carry salmonella? to my thinking that would basically mean they have some antibiotic property that prevents the sammy bacteria from growing. afaik, just about any animal with a damp enough cage can carry salmonella.
 

arachnocat

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I regret buying a WC T. Blondi last year. She was never very healthy but she started eating a lot and doing better. Then this week she got sick again. I was never able to get her abdomen up to normal blondi size and she passed away this morning. :(
Learned my lesson about WC T's. The next blondi I buy will either be CB or LTC and I'll make sure to get a pic of it first so I know it's not a poor scraggly thing.
 

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All I gotta say is true that.

Like keeping aquatic shrimps. Some of them are so sensitive to whats in the water that even a tiny mistake can mean a disaster. They make caring for most fish seem like a piece of cake. I tried over and over again, this is my 6th time buying them!!! And guys, they're not too cheap, I can't even afford them from the petstore ($5 for one tiny shrimp wtf?) so I got to buy it from friends online. Basically I spent well over $140.

Even though it might seem hopeless at first and it pissed me off, each time I learned more and now have successfully kept them and find them rather easy to keep now!

Whats worse however is that the shrimps I'm keeping are considered one of the hardiest hahaha. So even with all my experiences I've only really managed to keep the hardiest one so far :eek: . So yeah, if you fail, try try again.

You can't always expect instant success with everything you keep, many things take time, different things live in different areas and they live in different ways and require different things. I've also kept hermit crabs before and they're pretty nice (don't expect them to be any kind of dog though!). So just because they're a failure at first doesn't mean it's complete trash or anything, just means you have lots more to learn about them!

However, breeding them is difficult, so I'm not going to wonder in to that area as I'm not THAT experienced lol.

Now I got to go change all the substrates of all my centipedes, yikes...
 

mrbonzai211

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well, it's obvious you went to a lot of trouble and what not for you crabs, which is very cool... i just wanted to touch on two things here


the chemicals thing... unless you have been reading a HELL of a lot of stuff i just plain don't have access to we don't actually know all that much about tarnatula like, chemobiology. compared to more economically significant species we basically know no hard facts specifically about tarantulas and must infer from other animals. and... water is a chemical. it might seem like nitpicking but when we are dealing with animal health i think being as accurate as reasonably possible is probably the way to go. and in point of fact my bugs have seemed to be reasonably resistant to what one would assume to be *deletorious* chemicals. i used to water them with California, San Bernardino County, Rialto tap water.... which is famours for being hideous stuff. i produce get with the best of them, on a percentage of success basis :)


and salmonella.... how can hermies not carry salmonella? to my thinking that would basically mean they have some antibiotic property that prevents the sammy bacteria from growing. afaik, just about any animal with a damp enough cage can carry salmonella.
Specifically, commercial foods contain sulphates as preservatives which hermit crabs cannot process naturally. The chemical builds up in the system and causes illness and eventual death. I lost three myself to an unknown preservative in some of the freeze dried fruits I bought them several months back. And as for salmonella, all current studies have shown no correlation of hermit crabs being a vector for salmonella. Biologists attribute it to a germ barrier created by their exo and a few other physical structures I can't seem to recall at the moment. If you need anything I stated to be backed up you can do your own research on the forum I've been a member of for the past year:
http://hermitcrabassociation.com/phpBB/index.php
or you can consult this website which provides the best care sheets and care information on the internet:
http://www.crabstreetjournal.com/
Here's another link to the lady who has come the closest to rearing the first captive bred hermit crabs. She's still working on the marine reef environment, but I think history is about to made within the next few years:
www.thecrabbagepatch.com
 

Choobaine

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Why ever do you keep shopping there if they continually sell you sickly and injured animals? Seems like it not only is a lot of grief for you, but supporting the sort of irresponsible vendors that give the exotics hobby a bad name!
Bah there's no greif for me :) There's no point in caring. Life comes and goes does it not? But yeah - it's Northern Ireland, if I want a *SLIGHTLY* better store I'd have to travel for over an hour and it isn't really worth going that distance just to go back and not to mention carrying such delicate things. As I stated earlier - probably safer than ordering in. :cool:
 
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mrbonzai211

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All I gotta say is true that.

Like keeping aquatic shrimps. Some of them are so sensitive to whats in the water that even a tiny mistake can mean a disaster. They make caring for most fish seem like a piece of cake. I tried over and over again, this is my 6th time buying them!!! And guys, they're not too cheap, I can't even afford them from the petstore ($5 for one tiny shrimp wtf?) so I got to buy it from friends online. Basically I spent well over $140.

Even though it might seem hopeless at first and it pissed me off, each time I learned more and now have successfully kept them and find them rather easy to keep now!

Whats worse however is that the shrimps I'm keeping are considered one of the hardiest hahaha. So even with all my experiences I've only really managed to keep the hardiest one so far :eek: . So yeah, if you fail, try try again.

You can't always expect instant success with everything you keep, many things take time, different things live in different areas and they live in different ways and require different things. I've also kept hermit crabs before and they're pretty nice (don't expect them to be any kind of dog though!). So just because they're a failure at first doesn't mean it's complete trash or anything, just means you have lots more to learn about them!

However, breeding them is difficult, so I'm not going to wonder in to that area as I'm not THAT experienced lol.

Now I got to go change all the substrates of all my centipedes, yikes...
Wow, I'm sorry for all the difficulty you've had, but like all things it just takes time and dedication.
My first hermit crabs lived in a Coors Light beach bucket with no sand and no heat. Crabs need 75% humidity and 75 degrees to live. Luckily, when I found out that the setup was evil I transfered them to a 20L and it took me about 4 months to get everything perfect. Luckily one of my original 2 is still alive even though I was such an ignorant and negligent owner.
If you ever get into marine Hermit Crabs though, we just added a new section to the forum
http://hermitcrabassociation.com/phpBB/viewforum.php?f=55&sid=76235aeea5b44fff59464f897d8d5f62
 

cacoseraph

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Specifically, commercial foods contain sulphates as preservatives which hermit crabs cannot process naturally. The chemical builds up in the system and causes illness and eventual death. I lost three myself to an unknown preservative in some of the freeze dried fruits I bought them several months back. And as for salmonella, all current studies have shown no correlation of hermit crabs being a vector for salmonella. Biologists attribute it to a germ barrier created by their exo and a few other physical structures I can't seem to recall at the moment. If you need anything I stated to be backed up you can do your own research on the forum I've been a member of for the past year:
http://hermitcrabassociation.com/phpBB/index.php
or you can consult this website which provides the best care sheets and care information on the internet:
http://www.crabstreetjournal.com/
Here's another link to the lady who has come the closest to rearing the first captive bred hermit crabs. She's still working on the marine reef environment, but I think history is about to made within the next few years:
www.thecrabbagepatch.com


that germ barrier thing sounds cool if there is something legitmate there. makes me wish i had an exo even more than i already did hehehe

but you are still inferring crab data onto tarantulas... that was really me only quibble. it's all well and good to do, as long as you know you are doing it and that not everything that applies to crabs applies to taras. no external gills in taras, for one big thing.
 
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