Paralyzed Spider - Help?

Malachite

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I have a question and I don't really know who or where to go to for help.
Short Questions -
Can a paralyzed Jumping Spider survive? How did it happen? What can I do?
Long Story -
So I was gardening the other day and came upon what I thought was a dead juvenile bold jumping spider. I'm not an expert spider keeper, I just have 4 bold jumpers that I've found wandering in my house and kept as pets. So I was sad to see the body of a baby and carefully moved it out of the way while I did my work. After a while I came back to the body and just noticed how fresh it looked. Like it was still alive. So I picked it up and tried to warm it up a bit with my breath. I thought it might of responded so I took it inside and put it in a spare pill bottle with holes drilled in the cap for spider catching.
I completely thought it was just wishful thinking, but later that night I fed my other spiders and decided to check on it. I lightly touched it and to my surprise it moved! It is seeming to gradually gain some motion back and now I've had it for 2 days. The issue I have is it's only able to move one side of its body and not well. I haven't seen the (my left/its right) side move once. I'd really like to help it if I can. It's abdomen still seems fairly plump, but its not fat. I may in the next few days cup up a meal worm and see if it will take a piece. Any advice would help. I live in the PNW and I've never seen or heard of paralyzing wasps up here, but maybe I'm wrong? All information of paralyzed spiders tends to lean that way and I can't really find any answers. Could another spider or critter be responsible? There are no apparent wounds.
Thanks for reading and offering any advice or support is greatly appreciated!

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The Snark

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Numerous wasp species predate spiders as incubators for their larvae. If this is a wasp sting, a mostly ineffective one, spiders have been known to recover over time. On the plus side, wasp venom is not intended to kill but brings the spider's metabolism and other functions to a halt. In other words, the spider's life is preserved. So it's a waiting game. Protect it and see if it recovers. Again, if it was stung by a wasp it may take an extended period of time for bodily functions to kick back in - like digestion.
Cross your fingers. Some wasps need to sting a spider numerous times to fully paralyze it. Maybe it didn't get a major dose of the venom.
 

SalticusScenicusStar

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Some predatory wasps sting the spider and inject their eggs in it. If you see a white grub, immediately remove it before it is too late. :writer:
 

Albireo Wulfbooper

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Some predatory wasps sting the spider and inject their eggs in it. If you see a white grub, immediately remove it before it is too late. :writer:
If you can see it, it's already too late.

There are a ton of parasitoid wasps in PNW, some of which are spider specialists. They're just smaller and less famous than the big tropic species.
 

The Snark

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I really need to get back to my entomologist bud here for a wasp refresher course. It isn't a few select species of wasps that parasitize but a vast hymenopteran super-family roughly divided into endo and ecto parasitic - either laying an egg on their victim or injecting it into the victim. The wasps range in size from 2-4 mm on out to around 100 mm! The ones that prey exclusively on spiders are the pompilidae genus but there are many other genuses that don't discriminate going after certain specific insects on out to any bug they happen across when they are at the egg laying stage.

And they don't stop at utilizing insects and spiders - some use plants with neuro toxic venom replaced by some pretty sophisticated hardware. One species develops an ovipositor over an inch long that bores into trees or bamboos. And speaking of those not so little fiends from bitter experience here, if you see a bamboo with a neat hole drilled in it, do NOT put a hand or finger over that hole! Dang larvae come armed and dangerous right out of the box.

And they there are there are wasps which pack not only a venom, they host some kind of virus that does the paralysis thing for them. Is that cheating or what?

Drill a hole in certain bamboo? That's like chewing through the hull of a ship with your teeth. Some varieties of bamboo glued together in cross hatch laminates are more capable at stopping a .50 caliber armor piercing bullet than steel alloys of the same thickness.
 
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SalticusScenicusStar

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I really need to get back to my entomologist bud here for a wasp refresher course. It isn't a few select species of wasps that parasitize but a vast hymenopteran super-family roughly divided into endo and ecto parasitic - either laying an egg on their victim or injecting it into the victim. The wasps range in size from 2-4 mm on out to around 100 mm! The ones that prey exclusively on spiders are the pompilidae genus but there are many other genuses that don't discriminate going after certain specific insects on out to any bug they happen across when they are at the egg laying stage.

And they don't stop at utilizing insects and spiders - some use plants with neuro toxic venom replaced by some pretty sophisticated hardware. One species develops an ovipositor over an inch long that bores into trees or bamboos. And speaking of those not so little fiends from bitter experience here, if you see a bamboo with a neat hole drilled in it, do NOT put a hand or finger over that hole! Dang larvae come armed and dangerous right out of the box.

And they there are there are wasps which pack not only a venom, they host some kind of virus that does the paralysis thing for them. Is that cheating or what?

Drill a hole in certain bamboo? That's like chewing through the hull of a ship with your teeth. Some varieties of bamboo glued together in cross hatch laminates are more capable at stopping a .50 caliber armor piercing bullet than steel alloys of the same thickness.
Wow!
 
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