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Both are P.imperator.It is slightly smaller than the other one, but to the point of insignificance
Both are P.imperator.It is slightly smaller than the other one, but to the point of insignificance
That's excellent if this is the case. I'm intending to start a serious breeding project with p. imperator so it's very helpful if I have the correct species.It's a juvenile P. imperator.
Sorry for your loss. Looking at the photos of both back in early April, the second one looks quite lean. If both scorpions were kept in the same enclosure with a temperature in the mid 80,s with a cool area, you may find the second one was forced to spend it's time in the cold, hence not eating properly.I have found that if you give them a cool end they never use it, and mine always go for the hottest spots. Also you say your other scorpion enjoys digging up it's enclosure, not normal. Okay for a desert species, not for Pandinus, they will choose the best spot, dig down and stay there, especially once settled, if it's constantly digging it's not happy, keep the temperature in the high 80,s, nothing lower, with a good permanently moist substrate, damp but not wet. If you do keep scorpions together, try to have at least two more hides than scorpions. Pop down to the shop and purchase another.Well I lost one of the scorpions, my second one, and I'm at a loss, since both are being kept in the same conditions, the first one is very active and has quite the appetite, while the one that passed became listless over several days and stopped eating or drinking.
I assumed a molt was imminent but sadly this wasn't the case. I know immature don't always make it but losing them sucks regardless.
Temps were in the mid 80s with a cool spot,(four inches of substrate for burrowing) and again the other is thriving, alert to both me and food and enjoys digging up its enclosure.
I keep juvis separate to lower variables. Substrate is always moist. Raising the temps won't be difficult. I will keep a sharp eye on the other one, but it's eating a drinking regularly.Sorry for your loss. Looking at the photos of both back in early April, the second one looks quite lean. If both scorpions were kept in the same enclosure with a temperature in the mid 80,s with a cool area, you may find the second one was forced to spend it's time in the cold, hence not eating properly.I have found that if you give them a cool end they never use it, and mine always go for the hottest spots. Also you say your other scorpion enjoys digging up it's enclosure, not normal. Okay for a desert species, not for Pandinus, they will choose the best spot, dig down and stay there, especially once settled, if it's constantly digging it's not happy, keep the temperature in the high 80,s, nothing lower, with a good permanently moist substrate, damp but not wet. If you do keep scorpions together, try to have at least two more hides than scorpions. Pop down to the shop and purchase another.
People seem to have this thing about Emperor's, here in the UK as well. Usual reason when something becomes rare we all have to have some and breed them and sell the offspring for lots of money - good idea - now Emperor's are now becoming the " common species" with prices almost on a par with the " awfully common " Heterometrus. The majority of my scorpions are 2 species of Heterometrus - won't be keeping anything else now, kept Pandinus many years ago, sold the lot to a breeder, who has since sold all his.Glad you have things moving in a positive direction.
Question, what's wrong with Heterometrus? Is it just that they don't cost as much or something else? You seemed disappointed if that's what you ended up getting.
Glad things are looking good. P,S, if you are that upset with your Heterometrus not being an Emperor, send it across the pond - I will gladly add it to my collection of Heterometrus.Ordered two new p imperator to replace the one i lost, shipping was a flat rate so may as well use it.(None of my local stores had any, so I had to go online, which is sketchy with this species) Glad to say that both the new arrivals were in fact P imperator
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I've completely redone the set ups, I've decided to use smaller enclosures to limit the possibility of unforseen issues, such as losing crickets.
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They do have little leaves and bark pieces in which they can hide under, along with enough substrate to burrow.
And finally to manage temps and humidity better I'm keeping the three smaller enclosures in a larger setup.
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Temps are currently at the sweet spot of 85, in keeping a sharp eye on temps to make sure the bulb isn't too hot, the last thing I need is cooked scorps after my recent loss. Not to mention, all the eggs are in one basket.
One of the new arrivals started eating after a few minutes. So I think im on the right path.
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As a note my first scorpion(in the opening post) continues to do well, eating and drinking regularly, along with its unmitigated hatred of the world.
I've never liked Heterometrus, just a personal thing, and certainly I would be upset at paying 80 dollars for a scorpion that's only 20, it's like buying a parson's chameleon and getting a veiled. Of course I feel that they deserve their own dedicated following yo keep them in the hobby as well. They just aren't for me.Glad you have things moving in a positive direction.
Question, what's wrong with Heterometrus? Is it just that they don't cost as much or something else? You seemed disappointed if that's what you ended up getting.
Fortunately all appear to be imperator, but I'm glad Heterometrus has its own devoted fans, to keep them secure in the hobby as well.Glad things are looking good. P,S, if you are that upset with your Heterometrus not being an Emperor, send it across the pond - I will gladly add it to my collection of Heterometrus.
I'm a total newbie to the scorpion world. From my understanding in research the Emperor and Asian Forest only differed slightly in appearance (granulated claws vs smooth and then stinger, but later learned Asian Forests can have Amber stingers too) and that the Asians might be more defensive and active. I chose the Asian over the Emperor for its hopefully higher level of activity. They both look awesome.I've never liked Heterometrus, just a personal thing, and certainly I would be upset at paying 80 dollars for a scorpion that's only 20, it's like buying a parson's chameleon and getting a veiled. Of course I feel that they deserve their own dedicated following yo keep them in the hobby as well. They just aren't for me.
Luckily for me all scorps appear to be imperator.
Fortunately all appear to be imperator, but I'm glad Heterometrus has its own devoted fans, to keep them secure in the hobby as well.
P. imperator have been CITES listed since 1995. You can absolutely buy wild caught animals legally. To trade in CITES listed animals importers/exporters simply need an additional (relatively inexpensive) permit. This is easily verifiable on the CITES website, which also keeps records of legal imports/exports.Imperator are now CITES II and as of the most recent data there is a 0 export quota.
In other words, you cannot legally buy wc imperator.
So either you are buying smuggled animals, or they are not imperator. Unless captive bred of course.
My guess is, you have Asian forests.
This is true. But how many US sellers do you think actually have gone to the trouble of CITES paperwork? Very few. You cannot deny that there has been fairly widespread trafficking of wild caught specimens of this species. Are there legal importers? Yes. Are they few and far between and mainly selling to institutions? Yes. So if you as an individual are buying a wild caught P. imperator in the US, the chances are high that it was smuggled.P. imperator have been CITES listed since 1995. You can absolutely buy wild caught animals legally. To trade in CITES listed animals importers/exporters simply need an additional (relatively inexpensive) permit. This is easily verifiable on the CITES website, which also keeps records of legal imports/exports.
You don't need a permit to sell in the US, just to import & export, which already requires permits. Typically what happens is that a few importers will order several hundred animals at a time, and these will then be distributed around the country.This is true. But how many US sellers do you think actually have gone to the trouble of CITES paperwork? Very few. You cannot deny that there has been fairly widespread trafficking of wild caught specimens of this species. Are there legal importers? Yes. Are they few and far between and mainly selling to institutions? Yes. So if you as an individual are buying a wild caught P. imperator in the US, the chances are high that it was smuggled.
This I know. What I am saying is that to assume that importers of this species are actually obtaining permits and not smuggling is optimistic at best. Most legal importers are not hobbyists, and are not selling to hobbyists.You don't need a permit to sell in the US, just to import & export, which already requires permits. Typically what happens is that a few importers will order several hundred animals at a time, and these will then be distributed around the country.