Nasty bite link

[bengerno]

I found it while googlin' I don't speak portugese.. so I know it is just a Loxosceles sp. bite. I will be very happy If someone would be so kind, and translate the main part of this article.

http://www.picarelli.com.br/fotolegendas/fotolegenda062003h.htm


PS: If someone posted this link, please delete this thread..

 

[Stefan-V]

Well, although I don't speak Portuguese, i speak Spanish and German. I can understand the main part of it:

between the many venomous spiders in Brazil, the brown spider is one of the more common ones. The bite causes skin alteration and system alteration. chased by the predators (chickens, frogs and lizards) the spider tends to urban environments and therefore accidents increased.
In Curitiba and the city of Brazil happened the most accidents. In 1986 were reported 92 cases and in 2000 it were 2102 cases of brown spider bite.
It explains that these spiders aren't aggressive, only when they are provoked or they feel in danger. it says that they hide in bark, cracks of the wall, piles of something, under the bed, clothes etc. They feed on little insects, are nocturnal and reproduce quite fast.
The spider is identified because of his brown or greenish color, 8 legs and size is 15-30 millimeters. The male has a smaller body with longer legs.

...the other stuff just explains the spider bite and what to do to prevent it, etc.

If someone wants to correct me, go ahead, this is the best I can do.

Hope this helps,

Stefan

 

[bengerno]

Hi Stefan,

Thanks a lot! :worship:
Is there any info what happened the guy's thumb on the picture?

 

[Stefan-V]

Well...
it says that after 12-14 hours you will start to see the effects. The bite is swelling and starts feeling sore, after a while you will start to feel a burning sensation. The venom kills the cells and destroys the tissue Nasty stuff will come out the wound as the body tries to reject the dead tissue. other symptoms are paleness, dizzieness, dry mouth, dark urin, sickness.
as the bite kills your tissue and skin, it can cause severe bloodloss, clogging of bloodvessels and anemia and death.
The thumb of this person is slowly dissolving, plus it looks like a very bad infection.

Now a question to you guys: what kind of moron, idiot, dumb person would let him bite by this spider and doesn't get medical attention right away just to show what happens?? At least that's the impression I'm getting here.

 

[ilovebugs]

yea, I've seen the same pictutes on an english site. I think they were just translated.

these pictures have been circulating on the internet for several years. There is a gas station about 5 miles from my house that has a pic of the brown recluse and two of these bite pics along with a warning "Beware brown recluse bites can kill!"
I wanted to laugh when I read that, I have never heard of a death by a brown recluse other than maybe an infant or something but whatever.
the dude must have not had any treatment (till the stiches, which look pretty crappy) you just don't hear about the lesser ones. here's some more http://www.emedicinehealth.com/fulltext/10729.htm

 

[bengerno]

Maybe poor guy was too proud to go to the doctor, and when he went there it was late! Or simply he was stupid. I saw this kind of wounds from venomous snakes... terrible.

 

[bengerno]

yea, I've seen the same pictutes on an english site. I think they were just translated.

these pictures have been circulating on the internet for several years. There is a gas station about 5 miles from my house that has a pic of the brown recluse and two of these bite pics along with a warning "Beware brown recluse bites can kill!"
I wanted to laugh when I read that, I have never heard of a death by a brown recluse other than maybe an infant or something but whatever.
the dude must have not had any treatment (till the stiches, which look pretty crappy) you just don't hear about the lesser ones. here's some more http://www.emedicinehealth.com/fulltext/10729.htm

And what If he gets treatment? Is there any antivenom or what? It is strange that as you said, not too many people have this kind of injury.

 

[Stefan-V]

I found a few things, when i googled about antivenom:
1st, 2nd, 3rd.

Some physicians administer high doses of cortisone-type hormones to combat hemolysis and other systemic complications. Treatment with oral dapsone (an antibiotic used mainly for leprosy) has been suggested to reduce the degree of tissue damage. However, an effective therapy has not yet been found in controlled studies.

 

[bengerno]

So If you treat the injury well,it is not a big deal. But If you don't you loose any limb easily.

 

[Venom]

So If you treat the injury well,it is not a big deal. But If you don't you loose any limb easily

Well, no. In all probability you won't lose a limb--easily or otherwise, but you could possibly lose a sizeable chunk of flesh from a limb. In any case, treatment for recluse bites, other than excision, is not what I'd call reliable.

Anyway, some more nasty bite pics ( Cheiracanthium sp. ):

http://www.acvcsd.org/insect_identification/yellowsacspider.PDF#search='sac%20spider%20bite'

 

[bengerno]

I am happy that we haven't got such spiders here. But they are still fascinating.

 

[Jmadson13]

Yikes, the break down of his tissues was rather alarming. I hope this was just another case of the media sensationalizing arachnids.

 

[Ewok]

My dad told me about a customer of his who was bit on the neck by a brown reclsue .The doctors mididentified the bite and told her it was nothing, so it did'nt get treated correctly and now the woman is paralyzed and in a wheelchair.

 

[jojobear]

Now a question to you guys: what kind of moron, idiot, dumb person would let him bite by this spider and doesn't get medical attention right away just to show what happens?? At least that's the impression I'm getting here.

Having spent time in Brazil the guy more than likely wasn't a "moron, idiot, or dumb" he was probably a typically poor Brazilian that couldn't help being bit in the first place and then couldn't afford the medical treatment. We tend to forget how easy it is for us to get medical treatment.

 

[Stefan-V]

Having spent time in Brazil the guy more than likely wasn't a "moron, idiot, or dumb" he was probably a typically poor Brazilian that couldn't help being bit in the first place and then couldn't afford the medical treatment. We tend to forget how easy it is for us to get medical treatment.

Well, I lived in Paraguay (right beside Brazil) for 16 years (until last year) and I have never had problems to get medical treatment and i know that our country is of worse than Brazil. He has a camera, so he must have some cash and if someone else was taking the pictures, he should have been at least a little considerate. And in the end we see at least some treatment, but it's almost too late. The pain must have been horrible.
I wasn't trying to insult this guy, but I can't understand how someone could just look at that and say: "Oh, lets take pictures and see how big it gets!"

 

[Kugellager]

Those pics have been going around the internet for years...The claim that they are from a brown recluse bite is unsubstantiated at best.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/bugs/brownrecluse.asp

John
];')

 

[Jmadson13]

Those pics have been going around the internet for years...The claim that they are from a brown recluse bite is unsubstantiated at best.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/bugs/brownrecluse.asp

John
];')

It's also interesting to me that this man is from a region of the world where there a much more dangerous snakes than arachnids. The necrosis looks like something from a Fer de lance, could he have been bitten by one of these in his sleep then? if the bite account is even real for that matter.

 

[finman31]

I know 3 pople bit by Brown Recluses...1 guy was bit on his right cheek,sought medical attention as soon as it swelled up,it was properly Identified and treated,he still had to have part of his jaw removed even after being given massive amounts of antibiotics.Another was a lady that was a sales rep for a pharmecutical company and was bit on her left calf.She also was treated but still lost part of her calf.And my ex- brother in law was bit on his forearm...he got lucky and was left with just a nasty scar about 3 inches across.Even if you seek proper medical attention on time,the bites can still end up very nasty.

 

[bengerno]

It's also interesting to me that this man is from a region of the world where there a much more dangerous snakes than arachnids. The necrosis looks like something from a Fer de lance, could he have been bitten by one of these in his sleep then? if the bite account is even real for that matter.

Maybe... but then you should see the marks of the fangs'.

 

[Kugellager]

It's also interesting to me that this man is from a region of the world where there a much more dangerous snakes than arachnids. The necrosis looks like something from a Fer de lance, could he have been bitten by one of these in his sleep then? if the bite account is even real for that matter.

Different versions of the story have him coming for different places...This Brazil version is the first one I have seen from out of the US.

John
];')