- Jan 1, 2016
The larger millipedes in the photo are Narceus gordanus millipedes. They are an attractive and hardy millipede, even if they spend most of their time burrowed in the substrate.Cute!
I need to take some pictures of my milipeds.
I know the bumblebee's but what are the other larger ones?
They're quite pretty!
Those are definitely not Chicobolus spinigerus / Ivory millipedes. Yours are Narceus gordanus / Smoky Oak millipedes -- one of the thickest species in the U.S. (as you can see in your photo) and endemic to Florida. Ivory millipedes can also be found in Florida (as well as the southeastern U.S. more generally) but are smaller and quite distinctive in appeared (see link below).Florida ivory not sure the scientific name and you should love millipedes hopefully going to get some scarlet milupedess soon to ad to my collection
Agreed! They are delicate but uniquely beautiful millipedes!Yea deffinetly I really am fascinated with brachycybe lecontii feather millipedes the don't get very big but they make up for it in the way they look
Would you mind posting a photo of them? I am working on collecting millipedes from all over North America and am curious to see what species you describe.the only ones I've had any luck catching here are small 2 to 3 inch maybe and very thin nothing to impressive not even sure what species they are but there all over the place and are a redish Bron not to spectacular
Good luck! I look forward to seeing what else you find! There are indeed many millipede species in Florida, but some quite specific in their habitat.There's suppose to be quite a few species in Florida, I just might live in a too heavily populated city to find other species. There are a few parks here but haven't found anything at them.
But hopefully I can get another species soon to admire!
Cool, just sharing as I like to know where the millipedes I keep come from and I wasn't sure how common knowledge that was (I've been studying Hoffman's 1999 list and reading the primary literature of the past few decades).@ErinM31
Ah yeah I figured out they weren't Ivory's and were/ are smoky oaks. I recognized them but knew they weren't ivory's.
I'm also aware that bumblebee's and scarlet's aren't native here (there are a lot of invasive / non-native species in Florida, not just millipedes).
Yes, I agree, it is fun to find them -- the link was primarily for the benefit of @Jerry since it sounds like he has far fewer local millipedes to be found. You might search BugGuide for millipedes found in Florida as this may give you more ideas of where to look. I was pleasantly surprised at how many millipedes can be found in Texas, if only one knows where and WHEN to look! Under logs and among hardwood leaves such as oak are always good places to look, but there may also be some millipedes in habitats that you would not expect. The Floridobolus millipedes, for instance, can be found in sandy areas with juniper and rosemary -- two plants I would not normally think to find millipedes around.I've figured that a lot must live in specific areas / habitats here in Florida, and me being in a really populated area is probably part of the reason I can't find many other than the two species I have found.
I might try and go to one of the parks and walk around off the path(s) and look under any logs I can find. I typically don't bother looking around the pine trees because I know pine is one of those woods that they don't go to. I normally look around the oak trees.
If nothing else, I can buy some, but it is fun finding them in the wild too.
That is strange. I wonder what is in these homes or businesses that leads to an infestation of millipedes? I would think that most would not even be able to survive in the average air-conditioned building and would die of desiccation. I know some millipedes, including another species introduced from Asia, Oxidus gracilus, infest greenhouses because the warm moist climate suits them and they feed on the manure used as fertilizer. In any case, it is at worst a nuisance, not like certain beetles which have been introduced which infest and kill native trees.@ErinM31
Oh no I'm glad you shared. I like to know where things come from as well.
As far as I know the only harm the millipedes have caused is infesting homes for the most part (and maybe businesses). Which for some people is not ideal, obviously. If anything I'd think they'd help with breaking down decaying leaves/plant material, which is good because then there isn't just a bunch of dead leaf matter laying around.
True, but not surprising. The non-native species were introduced by humans and many tend to spread along with them. I could find no isopods in the native forest but they can be found in abundance around buildings and neighborhoods. They may be throughout San Antonio err long with all the slash-and-burn "development" that is going on. I am not saddened by the isopods spreading, but by the local fauna's destruction and can only hope that the natives are able to recolonize. Otherwise, like you, people will only find the introduced species around them and that is a sad thing.Kind of a shame in a way that the only species I have been able to find have been non-native species, though. It'd be nice if I could find some Ivory's or even Smoky Oak's. I was thinking of getting some Smoky Oak's next, since they're so thick-bodied. They seem really interesting and pretty.
Me too!!! There are very few dealers that have more than one or two species for sale and many native species are impossible to find, much less imports (actually, I don't believe anyone sells imported millipedes but the descendants of those who were successfully bred before imports were senselessly banned -- it is a shame that more were not established in the hobby first!). I have not heard that the ban was lifted but I HOPE that I am wrong! It is stupid, as most such laws are. Of the many introduced millipedes, not a single one was through the pet trade and besides, millipedes are harmless (not that I would excuse someone releasing a non-native pet into the wild, even if "only" for the sake of that animal).I'll have to look at that! I wish there were more millipede species for sale online, seems like most places only have a few of the more popular / readily available species. I know there was a ban on importing them to the US, but I read it was lifted recently? I'm not sure because I haven't looked into it more yet.
Again, me too! Some species are very easy to breed in captivity, some are only easy under the right conditions, if that makes sense, while others are difficult just to keep alive in captivity, much less get to reproduce.I just think millipedes are really cool and an amazing species to keep, I'd love to be able to have a lot more species available. I've read that some people have issues with breeding in captivity whereas some people have no issues at all. But I digress.
Indeed! Nor would I! But there are always exceptions as it is of course advantageous to be able to live where many cannot -- less competition. One of the Polydesmid millipedes I keep, Harpaphe haydeniana, was stressed and constantly pacing until I added wood, needles and little cones from the Douglas Fir -- then they were quite happy. To not only tolerate but require debris from a conifer not something one expects of a millipede!That's interesting, I wouldn't think sandy areas = millipedes. I'll have to do some research to figure out good times of the year to find other species and such where I live. And just generally where to look. I'm sure I can find other species, if I just keep at it
Happy to help! It is appalling how bad some vendors are with their info! At least C. spinigerus (Ivories) and N. gordanus (Smoky Oaks) have similar husbandry requirements! One person on this forum was sold golden Orthoporus ornatus (a large desert-adapted species from New Mexico and western Texas) as a Bumblebee millipede!Thanks for the corection on the wrong id I bought them from a local pet store they had them listed as Ivory's and I didn't really question it have had them for quit a while now and thanks for all the good info Yea as soon as I can I'll get a pic for you there really prity small but I had a few of them for a while then me and my son released them