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cacoseraph

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Your recollection is another fabrication. Good thing you added as 'you recall' to that one so it wasn't another flat out lie.
You may be thinking that I didn't offer the name of the taxonomist who did the diplopod identifications but it is written in the book.

Make it $20 and I'll help you out.
well then i guess Steven and i live in a fantasy world. i wouldn't be surprised if you editted it out of a post once you got caught up adn THAT is why you are being so cocky

oh wait a minute!!! what do we have here!?



It's not a name change as formerly would denote but a misidentification followed by a new misidentification. Even if the three were all the same genus and the genus were Ethmostigmus there's little reason to believe they're the same species. I did check with two top myriapod specialists and the placement of the head as an indicator was almost laughed at but the first spiracle shape does indicate Otostigminae rather than Scolopendrinae.
So what species did these two 'top myriapod specialists' say they were then?

And what do you mean by 'placement of the head' as an indicator? If you are referring to whether the headplate overlaps with the first tergite or not, it is a morphological character that can be used to determine that they are not Scolopendromorpha.


would ya mind sharing the names of those specialist ? (can go trough PM if ya want)

placement of the cephalic plate is not a key to Ethmostigmus,..
but is one of the basic keys to the genus Scolopendra.

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danread was just a second faster

PS: Dan,... i think you're mistaken with the names,... Scolopendromorpha is the order to which all scolopendrid centipedes belong to



and you NEVER got back to us... hmm... strange ;)

i already wasted $12 on your book. it would almost be worth it to see you come up with some truly lame quotes that are totally unreasonable but... nah
 

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and orin... what about the jellyfish thing? willing to concede your posts are crap here? or should i make you look even more silly?
 

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... what about the jellyfish thing? willing to concede your posts are crap here?
You're the one claiming 1.5-2mm (oh yeagh, .5-1mm now) penetration as an end all to your arguement, why change your line now? Are you trying to say centipede venom only has to touch the surface of the skin now?

The placement of the head as an indicator is useless.
This is still a true statement. There are only two US myriapod specialists I know of and you're welcome to check out the info with them. I'm glad to see you finally actually searched for the info instead of making up something new.
 
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You're the one with mountains of crappy posts suggesting info for things you don't even claim to have experience with. How are all your crappy posts OK?
 

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You're the one claiming 1.5-2mm (oh yeagh, .5-1mm now) penetration as an end all to your arguement, why change your line now? Are you trying to say centipede venom only has to touch the surface of the skin now?

The placement of the head as an indicator is useless.
This is still a true statement. There are only two US myriapod specialists I know of and you're welcome to check out the info with them. I'm glad to see you finally actually searched for the info instead of making up something new.
no silly orin. YOU are making the depth part of the argument once you realized we were right. nice try though. i just said they could bite and i thought i had a pic showing 1.5-2mm. oooh... i was off by halfa mm or whatever. big deal. the fact they bite was well represented by the picture and video
 

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You're the one with mountains of crappy posts suggesting info for things you don't even claim to have experience with. How are all your crappy posts OK?
can you please... please try to stay on topic?

show me mountains of crappy posts. i give ppl ideas on what to search for. you come off trying to sound like an absolute expert. i qualify just about every statement i make so that it is utterly true. i know you are going to have a hard time with that last statement so let me clarify

when i say "i think/believe amblys have an ultimate molt" that means that i think it is true. the person should look into it as i am not positive. in that particular case i was wrong... big deal. i qualified it, so the statement is still true. i work with scientists of various stripes all day... i know how to qualify my statements to make them true, even if the actual fact of the statement is false. i know that is going to be beyond your abilities but really... i only respond to you in the hopes that other ppl learn something useful. you are obviously beyond my ability to reach. which is fairly impressive as i have taught an agent orange baby quite amazing things :)
 

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The placement of the head as an indicator is useless.
This is still a true statement.
to everyone with a bit of interest about Orins statement above:

buy the Synopsis of North American centipedes from Rowland Shelly and go to page 9, below, read number 1 of the keys titled Key to North American genera of Scolopendrinae


that's all, carry on guys, it's amusing :D
 

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can you please... please try to stay on topic?

show me mountains of crappy posts.
If you would stay on topic my responses wouldn't be off topic. Obviously you pointed out the most recent ambypigid crappy answer. The pinkies you've never fed to AGBs is another. Those are from recent days, a lot of your posts are just incoherent, some are good. Just because you qualify bad ones doesn't make the answer not 'crappy'. Nobody is perfect but since you bring up crappy posts you might want to look around at your glass house. I said small centipedes can't bite through normal human skin (which is a fact as we've pointed out just by the depth of your skin versus thier entire forcipules, even big centipedes don't drive more than the tips in), I didn't say absolutely no human skin or no human has any reaction whatsoever to small arthropods. I know they try to bite with all thier little might but can't do any damage (normal skin anyway). Admittedly I am assuming someone isn't trying to push them into the back of their hand for five minutes. You're certainly reading a lot into my posts... "absolute expert". I never posted anything about being an absolute expert and there's no such thing as an absolute expert. Whose opinion do you think I'm giving? Some other poster here?

Steven, for those who don't have the book that character is part of a dichotomus key and is not used to differentiate Otostigminae (Ethmostigmus and others) in the key, it's for two related genera in the subfamily Scolopendrinae, Scolopendra and Arthrorhabdus We'll carry on as long as they let us, thanks.


... but EandA wrote a good book on the care of centipedes... one of the only modern english hobbybooks out there.

between some of the other posters, E&A, and myself we have produced.... perhaps thousands of baby centipedes. i would say we probably have at least the beginnings of a good grasp on the captive husbandry of our little friends

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trying to push them into the back of my hand for five minutes?
where are you getting this crap from now?

you made that up!

shameless!
 

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orin... i don't even know what to say. i have read your last post three times and i still don't know what it is supposed to mean. methinks someone is past their medication time.

if i can figure it out i will respond. now, i need some advil or something
 

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trying to push them into the back of my hand for five minutes?
where are you getting this crap from now?

you made that up!

shameless!
I don't know what you did. Do you really still think a bite attempt that lasts a fraction of a second and sitting there trying to make it bite you on the back of your hand till the camera can focus is going to be exactly the same as anything else? If they could deliver venom into your skin, the time you make them sit there gnawing is going to make a big difference (might even scratch the skin somewhat gnawing all that time). I've had them gnawing on my finger for a while with no effect but haven't tried the eyelid (thinnest skin). I don't imagine you really spent a full 300 seconds, it's an explanatory exaggeration like "I've been sitting here all day" or "I thought you'd never come". I just meant a ridiculously long time.
 

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Ok first of all you're assuming without knowing a thing


again


second

there was a video!
you would have SEEN how it worked

third

my camera is bad but not THAT bad, the photograph is taken within the second it happens


you're funny :D

that kind of fear of being wrong is driving you to harm your own cause
it's not so good for you, dude, seriously be careful, there's other things to persue, you don't need to hang onto this one

but still, I've finished now
 

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but still, I've finished now
Any chance you have time to go back through the thread and count how many times you've said that...
Your pictures were clear though the actual penetration was always hidden. That video quality is pretty bad.
 
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