Jumping spider-runny eggsac?

[AmazingNature]

Hello, this is my first post,
A few questions anyone -thoughts-suggestions on anything-thank you so much.
Okay so my 1st concern is the welfare of the spiders.
They are all captive born thru summer-fall early into early winter (different eggs laid at different times by 4 main spiders)
I didn't even consider or know about this risk.
It all started after Id gotten some small flea jumpers naphrys pulex etc. hitchhike in on some soil 2 falls ago and the last one is still with me
(I hope; I haven't seen her come out for 2 weeks-hoping its a molt)
And the behavior was interesting
(there were 13 at the beginning I called 'winter guests")
So when I encountered the P. Audax this last spring I wanted to simply observe them a bit then release them.
I had 3-4 females and one male-only to film them in a planted aquarium hunting etc. and the mating dance, esp. After I i saw the vids about the vibrations they make etc that was recorded with lasers.
(I cant remember if 3 or 4 because I've literally seen and been dealing with so many spiders since the eggs began hatching)
I couldn't put them back in the wild-
because eggs were laid in Tupperware's
and just disrupting the mom and eggs; and hoping she would stay with them after I tried to move the whole web/egg dealeo
(didn't seem realistic or feasible) etc.
So I felt it was my responsibility to raise them up till this spring then release them,
and keep 2 maybe since captive born already.

I kept them near a window to get natural light cycle and allowed drops in temp to 55 sometimes-basically in an unheated room(im in Ohio)
to simulate nature
But I soon moved them into my main living area; to better observe/care them though, so the lowest temps there seeing is 55-60F its been 65-70F
But I block inside light from them at sunset.
i also read that northern jumpers live longer than southern
cold-eat less live longer-warmer live fast die young

So I've been i wondering for awhile now which ones would fare better in a release back to the locale I encountered them?
originally I felt the big ones-but there 'institutionalized' now so to speak?
then figured the younger ones more chance to adapt to wild conditions
and I'm not sure if wild release is 'fair'?
would they survive (being captive fed) etc.-weaker from not wandering in nature getting strength;
and possibly easier to become prey etc.??

1) So to release all-big-medium-little or; just certain ones??

2) I've been watching one of my audax who appeared to be getting rather large abdomen-uh oh
so this morning I'm checking all my guests
and the one in question has an egg 'drop' its like water; and it ran down thru her web to bottom of enclosure.
there's like 30-50 yellow eggs.
I Just looked again, and she is now reinforcing her web with the butt wiggle move.

So is this normal for a1st time-egg?
(it didn't happen with any of the the ones last fall)
I'm not sure if she mated before being pulled from siblings

also the web is very thin-not all thick white like they do them before an egg
and there was/is an entry hole at bottom ,that's how/where egg drop came thru.

So should I move /clean it out;
or wait a day for her to settle if Shes 'confused/stressed etc.

And a little addition to runny egg situation;
there is a little secondary looking 'egg mass' in the web,
(all of the spiders have all always had these,)
Is this food for the mom while sitting in with eggs?
(Because they already come out sporadically and eat)
or is it initial food for the babies when they hatch out into the web?
(I haven't found anyone mentioning this with jumpers; but apparently other spiders do similar things to provide nourishment for the young)

Finally Id like to rehome them-
since they are captive bred;
for those wanting a jumper-and not ending up like I did with a wild jumper laying eggs.
But alas I am unsure how to go about this,
I even made a Facebook
(which I never thought I'd need)
just for this purpose-to rehome them locally if possible-
But I only saw one person asking and they never responded
So how to go about it, do I make a 'group' or-
go to different groups and let them know?)
Id really like to focus on people in Ohio to shorten the drive time for people or the mailing time whatever; if it comes to that,
I have sub adults right thru to rice grain and all sizes in between.

And lastly;
I apologize also for writing a 'book' here; I didn't know this was going to be this long,
It took me forever, I'm not much of a keyboard user ,never used a typewriter either so...yeah I'm 55
Thank you

 

[Nicole C G]

Hello, this is my first post,
A few questions anyone -thoughts-suggestions on anything-thank you so much.
Okay so my 1st concern is the welfare of the spiders.
They are all captive born thru summer-fall early into early winter (different eggs laid at different times by 4 main spiders)
I didn't even consider or know about this risk.
It all started after Id gotten some small flea jumpers naphrys pulex etc. hitchhike in on some soil 2 falls ago and the last one is still with me
(I hope; I haven't seen her come out for 2 weeks-hoping its a molt)
And the behavior was interesting
(there were 13 at the beginning I called 'winter guests")
So when I encountered the P. Audax this last spring I wanted to simply observe them a bit then release them.
I had 3-4 females and one male-only to film them in a planted aquarium hunting etc. and the mating dance, esp. After I i saw the vids about the vibrations they make etc that was recorded with lasers.
(I cant remember if 3 or 4 because I've literally seen and been dealing with so many spiders since the eggs began hatching)
I couldn't put them back in the wild-
because eggs were laid in Tupperware's
and just disrupting the mom and eggs; and hoping she would stay with them after I tried to move the whole web/egg dealeo
(didn't seem realistic or feasible) etc.
So I felt it was my responsibility to raise them up till this spring then release them,
and keep 2 maybe since captive born already.

I kept them near a window to get natural light cycle and allowed drops in temp to 55 sometimes-basically in an unheated room(im in Ohio)
to simulate nature
But I soon moved them into my main living area; to better observe/care them though, so the lowest temps there seeing is 55-60F its been 65-70F
But I block inside light from them at sunset.
i also read that northern jumpers live longer than southern
cold-eat less live longer-warmer live fast die young

So I've been i wondering for awhile now which ones would fare better in a release back to the locale I encountered them?
originally I felt the big ones-but there 'institutionalized' now so to speak?
then figured the younger ones more chance to adapt to wild conditions
and I'm not sure if wild release is 'fair'?
would they survive (being captive fed) etc.-weaker from not wandering in nature getting strength;
and possibly easier to become prey etc.??

1) So to release all-big-medium-little or; just certain ones??

2) I've been watching one of my audax who appeared to be getting rather large abdomen-uh oh
so this morning I'm checking all my guests
and the one in question has an egg 'drop' its like water; and it ran down thru her web to bottom of enclosure.
there's like 30-50 yellow eggs.
I Just looked again, and she is now reinforcing her web with the butt wiggle move.

So is this normal for a1st time-egg?
(it didn't happen with any of the the ones last fall)
I'm not sure if she mated before being pulled from siblings

also the web is very thin-not all thick white like they do them before an egg
and there was/is an entry hole at bottom ,that's how/where egg drop came thru.

So should I move /clean it out;
or wait a day for her to settle if Shes 'confused/stressed etc.

And a little addition to runny egg situation;
there is a little secondary looking 'egg mass' in the web,
(all of the spiders have all always had these,)
Is this food for the mom while sitting in with eggs?
(Because they already come out sporadically and eat)
or is it initial food for the babies when they hatch out into the web?
(I haven't found anyone mentioning this with jumpers; but apparently other spiders do similar things to provide nourishment for the young)

Finally Id like to rehome them-
since they are captive bred;
for those wanting a jumper-and not ending up like I did with a wild jumper laying eggs.
But alas I am unsure how to go about this,
I even made a Facebook
(which I never thought I'd need)
just for this purpose-to rehome them locally if possible-
But I only saw one person asking and they never responded
So how to go about it, do I make a 'group' or-
go to different groups and let them know?)
Id really like to focus on people in Ohio to shorten the drive time for people or the mailing time whatever; if it comes to that,
I have sub adults right thru to rice grain and all sizes in between.

And lastly;
I apologize also for writing a 'book' here; I didn't know this was going to be this long,
It took me forever, I'm not much of a keyboard user ,never used a typewriter either so...yeah I'm 55
Thank you

Would it be alright if you try and summarize exactly what you’re asking? There’s a lot of info here and I’m not sure I understand what your questions are.

 

[Albireo Wulfbooper]

Nicole will be better equipped to answer your questions about the egg sacs than I am, but I can address the rest.

For the first ¾ of your post, the answer is: you're overthinking it. They do not become domesticated. Most spiderlings die in the wild, whether they were raised in captivity or not. It won't matter if they're older or younger. As long as it's warm enough, the lucky ones will survive and the unlucky ones will be food for other creatures. Release them all, regardless of their size. Just place the containers outside, remove the lids, and leave them for a day or two - most will simply disperse on their own.

As for rehoming them - most people who want to keep jumping spiders tend to want species that are not possible to catch locally, so getting rid of babies locally as you want to do can be difficult. It's truly best just to release them back into the wild.

For next year, if you again have egg sacks but don't want to rear the babies, I suggest simply placing the enclosure open in a sheltered spot (such as a shed) before it gets very cold out. That way the eggs don't suffer a sudden cold shock from indoor temperatures to freezing, and they can hatch and disperse naturally in the spring when it gets warm enough, instead of hatching prematurely in your home.

 

[egyptiancrow]

Runny eggsac = infertile.

release any spiderlings if they are native to your area, it wont matter. i just bring a cup out and let the ones that come out come out and keep the rest.

if you have any other general questions let me know, im happy to help in any way i can

 

[AmazingNature]

Would it be alright if you try and summarize exactly what you’re asking? There’s a lot of info here and I’m not sure I understand what your questions are.

Hi thanks for responding; I guess release them is ok then.

 

[AmazingNature]

Nicole will be better equipped to answer your questions about the egg sacs than I am, but I can address the rest.

For the first ¾ of your post, the answer is: you're overthinking it. They do not become domesticated. Most spiderlings die in the wild, whether they were raised in captivity or not. It won't matter if they're older or younger. As long as it's warm enough, the lucky ones will survive and the unlucky ones will be food for other creatures. Release them all, regardless of their size. Just place the containers outside, remove the lids, and leave them for a day or two - most will simply disperse on their own.

As for rehoming them - most people who want to keep jumping spiders tend to want species that are not possible to catch locally, so getting rid of babies locally as you want to do can be difficult. It's truly best just to release them back into the wild.

For next year, if you again have egg sacks but don't want to rear the babies, I suggest simply placing the enclosure open in a sheltered spot (such as a shed) before it gets very cold out. That way the eggs don't suffer a sudden cold shock from indoor temperatures to freezing, and they can hatch and disperse naturally in the spring when it gets warm enough, instead of hatching prematurely in your home.

Lots of good info/ideas thanks a lot. I thought of doing just that what you said in last paragraph; but it kept raining etc whenever I picked a day to do it and find a safe spot; so I kept them, its been an experience for sure though. keeping up with different sizes spiders; and various sized prey, with breeding the 2 sized fruit flies, and buying mealworms and crickets.
and as for my little naphrys pulex today to my joy I saw there are two still!
I noticed they put debris in their web to hide it, little bits of stick and bark etc. I'm filming it, I haven't read of this before with jumpers, I know other spiders do similar. I'm going to do a search about it.thanks again.