- Feb 27, 2006
Hey Venom!That is a Cheiracanthium inclusum, yellow sac spider. Nasty bugs!
Yeah...ah the good ole' days. lol. There is little I enjoy more on this forum than a good venomous discussion--venomous spiders I mean, not venomous posts.Hey Venom!
Long time since we went rounds on this subject. LOL
The fact that it can damage me or cause me significant pain. Seems self explanatory to me...What is it about spider that can put a bad bite on a person that scares you so bad?
That's an assumption! We don't know how many sac spider bites occur in a year, because many of them are either not reported ( just like many widow bites go unreported, as well as venomous snake bites ), and because the spider is not widely known/ recognized, many people, even doctors, blame on other causes what are actually Cheiracanthium bites! Yes, there are still a lot of dog bites--but not all dogs are biters, many if not most are good pets and tame in temperament. There are no tame sac spiders--it isn't just a handful, or even a half of the population that is defensive: all sac spiders are highly defensive and more prone to biting than any other North American venomous spider ( as I believe Darwin Vest's site says ). Plus, all sac spiders are venomous, not just a selection. So to compare a spider that is always venomous and always defensive to a mammal that is usually tame and only occasionally vicious, really isn't accurate. The spiders IS, in and of itself, more prone to causing harm than dogs are on average.Once again (remember the times I'd argue against you're anti-recluse posts? ), there are probably more nasty dog bites per year than...we'll go with sac spiders this time...there are bad spider bites and I'd bet even people who don't have dogs have run-ins with spiders at least a couple times per year.
Um...yes it does! Anything that can and probably will do me harm is dangerous, and danger is bad. SO, dangerous spider = bad spider to have around. Nasty is as nasty does.So...just because a spider can cause a nasty necrotic wound doesn't mean the spider is, in itself, nasty.
Well, yes and no. If they were larger, they'd be much more enjoyable to keep, which would be fun. But it would also make them much more dangerous. But, if they were more harmful, they'd be better understood, and people like YOU would have no problem admitting they are harmful, lol. ;P So I guess it would be a trade-off--even nastier spider, but at least it would get some respect ;PC. inclusum are actually really pretty spiders. Too bad they're so darn small.
i play with them all the time, when i find them. never been bit out of say... 20 +/- 5 specimens played with. hell, the first one i kept as a pet was named Seven Yellow Lightning Bolts... because i ripped one of his legs off. no bite from thatThey seem to be somewhat seasonal...at least to be able to readily find them. I've had them around me for years and before I knew that they MIGHT cause a problematic bite, I picked them up all the time. I still do, but with more "back of my mind" caution. Never been bitten.
IMHO the "scaryness" of this specie has been GREATLY over-exaggerated.
Very interesting! Buthus does this sound familiar? Somehow I don't think it felt threatened, must something else at work here...I had a teeny tiny specimen wandering around on my hand, and it looked a bit anemic, so I offered it a water droplet to drink. I placed the drip ahead of it, and directed the spider towards the water droplet. It took a sip, and promptly bit me, the little ingrate! I was not doing much to agitate it, but it still felt threatened and nipped me.
You need to warn people before posting stuff like that, I darn near spit my Mountain Dew out from laughing so hard!cacoseraph said:hell, the first one i kept as a pet was named Seven Yellow Lightning Bolts... because i ripped one of his legs off. no bite from that
Yep...strange deal.Very interesting! Buthus does this sound familiar? Somehow I don't think it felt threatened, must something else at work here...
BTW, what reaction did you have to the bite?
It's not that I'm against them, or against people keeping them, I just am irked when I see the reality of a toxic species downplayed. I have had 11 yellow sacs--I enjoy keeping them, and will keep having them for as long as I can find them. I'm not anti-defensive/ toxic spiders, I'm anti-pooh-poohing defensive/ toxic spiders. The most dangerous part of a hot species is a lax / careless / "it's not that bad" aproach by the keeper to the animal. I just think we should stop telling ourselves that recluses, sacs, etc. "aren't that bad," and get on with the business of a properly cautious treatment of them. People who are told that "species X" is "really more or less harmless," when it isn't, will not be as carefulwith that animal as the species truly warrants...and that is dangerous for both the individual and the hobby.So Venom, since you're so anti-anything that is defensive and can give you nasty bite, how many tarantulas/scorps/centipedes with significant venom do you own?
Or perhaps the water brings the taste to their mouth and stimulates them to try it out?Yep...strange deal.
I have observed many a spider (esp widows) restart on old carcasses after a good misting. Food softens up. Probably has nothing to do with this, but maybe a "need to feed" reaction after hydration.