Hybrids
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Well, you didn't ask if crossbreeding was ok...we have a zillion threads about it and most people here are rabidly against hybrids.
As for the ownership of a hybrid that is already born, it's a bit more cold headead. A tiny minority will surely PM you to urge you to kill it, but as long as you don't plan to breed it, most will be fine with it.
The problem is that many hybrids look like one parent species, and could be mistakenly sold as such and then bred again as a pure strain, messing its genus further more. Just keep yours away from any other tarantula!
As for the ownership of a hybrid that is already born, it's a bit more cold headead. A tiny minority will surely PM you to urge you to kill it, but as long as you don't plan to breed it, most will be fine with it.
The problem is that many hybrids look like one parent species, and could be mistakenly sold as such and then bred again as a pure strain, messing its genus further more. Just keep yours away from any other tarantula!
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I wouldnt tell you to kill it but I would recommend that in the future you dont even purchase the spider, because buying it only encourages breeders of hybrids to continue to do so.
Dont get me wrong some hybrids that are out on the market can be beautiful speciemens but as long as they are unnatural they will have no place in my collection.
Dont get me wrong some hybrids that are out on the market can be beautiful speciemens but as long as they are unnatural they will have no place in my collection.
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who's selling?
i would buy one if it looked really cool.. why not?
i would buy one if it looked really cool.. why not?
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i would buy 1 2 ... i dont see the big deal !! & for those psychos that suggest killing an animal that is not true to its species is NUTZ !!! LIGHTEN !!
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I dont know if its the same for tarantulas, but i know that in order to hybridize many species of fish the breeders inject hormones and other chemicals into both parents, then they remove the gamates (the parents dont normally survive), and then they combine the gamates in test tubes.
Knowing all of this for my fish has caused me to develop a policy of NEVER buy hybrids.
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Nothing like this at all. Like breeding B.smithi with B.boehmei, which is OK IMHO since it is a naturally occurring hybrid. If it happens in nature and offspring is labeled correctly, I do not see the big deal.
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there are likely lots of hybrids in the hobby
no one keys their spiders out
no one keys their spiders out
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thanks for the info. I will agree that if its a natural hybrid then ok. but if its something you have to go about specially then I would say not. also understand that many hybrids in the fish trade were/are being sold as the nonhybrid for an insane price.
In my opinion I dont support most hybrids but I also dont support blatantly killing an animal just because of the idiot who bred it.
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Maybe you should offer your knowledge
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I don't know if you are trolling or not, but if you are, this is the number one way to do it. If you sincerely aren't trying to troll, you should at least have used the search button.
To anyone that is going to flame the op, realize that he's either trolling you and will get a kick out of your flames or that this subject has been beaten into the ground already on these boards and he can search the word "hybrid" and read for hours. Either way, there's no good reason to keep this thread alive.
To the op, if you aren't trolling and you get flamed, you should have used the search button. If you get flamed and you were trolling, well then, congrats.
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i'm trying to think of a good way to do it, to make it entertaining and informative. it's probably going to end up being a 5-10 minute youtube or somethingMaybe you should offer your knowledge
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Why is it then not ok to breed different species that do not have natural hybrid zones?
---------- Post added at 10:45 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:42 AM ----------
Wouldn't it be useful to write and post keys, using taxonomically relevant differential characters?
Najakeeper
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I have read it on this very forum as a
Rick C. West quote. Here it is:
http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showthread.php?t=8409
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well, annitha and hamorii *are* valid species. they followed the Zoo Taxo rules and have not been popped yet
http://research.amnh.org/iz/spiders/catalog/THERAPHOSIDAE.html
as is baumgarteni
you wouldn't get a species from the first round of a hybrid. i think West is a little confused or didn't write what he meant right
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http://research.amnh.org/iz/spiders/catalog/THERAPHOSIDAE.html
as is baumgarteni
you wouldn't get a species from the first round of a hybrid. i think West is a little confused or didn't write what he meant right
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i don't care enough about the hobby or other ppl to put that together. i'm not going to digest soup and vomit it back into ppl's mouths. i am happy to show ppl how to key, but i will not do it for every species. ppl need to think for themselves or kill themselves, imo
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Very interesting.
Bear in mind that post is from 2003 and since then research has been done on B. baumgarteni by Stuart Longhorn (known as sjl197 on AB), and he found it a distinct species instead of being a naturally occurring hybrid. I don't have an article to cite (maybe Stuart will chime in) but this is mentioned by Andrew M. Smith on his "In Search of Mexico's Brachypelma Red Leg Tarantulas" DVD.
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i just saw a thread on ATS that talks about that a little more, i think
whatever i saw shouldn't be too hard to google, at any rate
one "problem" with taxonomy is that is changes. usually ppl are trying to figure out what the real truth of the situation is, but sometimes politics and like, hubris come into play. but species can be described one year and some how invalidated the next. and then revalidated 73 years later. it's hectic =P
the pretty mexican tarantulas have been plagued by intrigues cuz of their relatively high dollar value. ever heard of the genus Brachypelmides? (that means little Brachypelma, btw, i think). it's a pretty eye opening bit of googling to undertake
whatever i saw shouldn't be too hard to google, at any rate
one "problem" with taxonomy is that is changes. usually ppl are trying to figure out what the real truth of the situation is, but sometimes politics and like, hubris come into play. but species can be described one year and some how invalidated the next. and then revalidated 73 years later. it's hectic =P
the pretty mexican tarantulas have been plagued by intrigues cuz of their relatively high dollar value. ever heard of the genus Brachypelmides? (that means little Brachypelma, btw, i think). it's a pretty eye opening bit of googling to undertake