the slappy thing is farther than i go... but having the spider running around her wasn't that far outside of a normal week for meFirst - that's a big OBT... Second - either she's the world's best T. handler or there was tequila involved... I'm suffering with terminal goosebumps and need to change my drawers. I'd rather kiss a republican than have to watch that vid again! Holy Wah! I'm morbidly impressed and sure that my nightmares will be colorful this evening... Our communal OBT tank sits next to the bed...
very nice!In loose reference to caco's post; freehandling CAN change your life. I bought my first T. (Gladys, the G. rosea) because I was tired of being terrified of spiders in general. I owned mastiffs, pitbulls, a cranky husband and human children - so why be afraid of bugs, right?? :8o After Gladys (who turned out to be a boy..hehe) was so kind and gentle to me; I bought an A. avic and an A. seemani... when THEY were kind and patient - we were invited by the local elementary school to share them with a class of autistic children. The rule was no T. can be held unless EVERYone was still and quiet...sshhhhh. Anyone who knows anything about autism knows that this is nearly an impossible feat for these kids.. before it was over - the other teachers and even the principle came down to peek into the room and not ONE adult left with dry eyes.. every child held the T's while sitting cross legged, quiet as church mice and in direct contact with one another. My phobia is defeated. Other people saw T's in a whole new light... and children were allowed to make progress that they couldn't have made any other way. They were so into the T's that they forgot they didn't want to be touched and their attention spans were miraculous... Hooray for Nature! :worship:
In loose reference to caco's post; freehandling CAN change your life. I bought my first T. (Gladys, the G. rosea) because I was tired of being terrified of spiders in general. I owned mastiffs, pitbulls, a cranky husband and human children - so why be afraid of bugs, right?? :8o After Gladys (who turned out to be a boy..hehe) was so kind and gentle to me; I bought an A. avic and an A. seemani... when THEY were kind and patient - we were invited by the local elementary school to share them with a class of autistic children. The rule was no T. can be held unless EVERYone was still and quiet...sshhhhh. Anyone who knows anything about autism knows that this is nearly an impossible feat for these kids.. before it was over - the other teachers and even the principle came down to peek into the room and not ONE adult left with dry eyes.. every child held the T's while sitting cross legged, quiet as church mice and in direct contact with one another. My phobia is defeated. Other people saw T's in a whole new light... and children were allowed to make progress that they couldn't have made any other way. They were so into the T's that they forgot they didn't want to be touched and their attention spans were miraculous... Hooray for Nature! :worship:
ouch, you just made me giggle and laugh at the same time and it hurt. sort of like a snartHere! Here! :clap:
I think cacoseraph is too smart for everyone else's good.... I believe he's a subversive and sneaky educator....
ok... i have to say itthe reason I wasnt impressd is because I have free handled rattlesnakes, mangroves, copperheads,temple vipers, purpureomaculatus, and a spectacled cobra..and various other hot snakes which will actually kill you dead.
a spider is nothing in comparison
i was speaking more from a tease and stress out the pet, standpoint.ok... i have to say it
you are calling someone stupid, essentially, for playing with a non-lethal spider that is not very likely at all to cause permanent damage (beyond mechanical, but that is a special case)... and now you are essentially bragging about free handling stuff that take chunks out of you... or legitmately pose a death threat...
i'm not going to say much beyond it is, er... inconsistant.
but... since i expect you still have all (or at least the overwhelming majority) of your factory issue body parts hopefully you can see that with experience and enhanced knowledge of an animal class and individuals then free handling above and beyond with normals could "get away with" is possible. and fun.
well... part of what makes free handling bugs interesting is that their is a real dearth of expertsi was speaking more from a tease and stress out the pet, standpoint.
i never teased, poked, prodded, bullyragged, vexxed, annoyed, or irritated m herps...nor have i or would i post vids on the net of me upsetting any animal.
i called her behviour stupid, not her..she could be a rocket scientist, ut the way she was acting with the spider, imho, wa stupid,yes.
no, free handling isnt very bright, i am guilty of that, admittedly.
however, i was working with some leading local herpotologists at the time and learned the methods used by William Hast, and other great snake handlers.
I've never been bitten though, knock on wood.
ok..i can ride with this for now.well... part of what makes free handling bugs interesting is that their is a real dearth of experts
as far as i know... *i* am one of the leading experts in playing with centipedes! and certainly one of the leading experts in getting bit by them. heh.
anyhow, a lot of people make a lot of noise about "stressing out" the bugs... but they have absolutely no data to back that up.... i will tell you this, though... the first time i free handled my P. regalis it took me 30 solid minutes of poking, prodding, levering, and just plain pestering to get her to walk on me skin... then like, two weeks later she made a viable eggsac that i got offspring from. virtually all of my WC bugs that i have gotten younglings from i played with. virtually all of my bugs i play with at some point... and they all continue to molt and grow and breed when they are mature... so... it seems like good husbandry + playing around with my bugs has yielded more quantifiably positive results than this vague fear of "stressing them out" and random husbandry
also, all my bugs have always lived in a music studio... 100+ db coursing through them pretty much daily... and they are all doing fine
i think a lot of times people parrot partylines (technically partylines is not the right word, but i am a sucker for alliteration) without having every researched or experimented for themselves
i am all for bug healthfulness... but i think we need to honestly and carefully establish exactly what is healthful and what is deletorious before we start psuedo-namecalling
fingers are tired now... it's easier to quasirant irl. heh.
i'm pretty sure i only think before i make about 5% of my postst..i hadnt put lots of thought into it prior to posting.
top of the day to you!