Haplopelma ID?

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Bought this as a Haplopelma longipes. She molted to maturity, and now I am not so sure. Can anyone properly ID?
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It could be H. vonwirthi, but I can't be sure. Is there orange on the spinnerets? Here's mine after it's last molt
 

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@Toxoderidae , would it be possible to take a picture from the side? I´m interested in seeing leg number IV from the side. It´s the easiest way to separate longipes from vonwirthi as far as I know.
 

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I will try when I get home if she didnt go back into her burrow.
Ok :). If you can´t take a picture from the side, look closely at the rear legs next time she is out and about. I´m sorry, I don´t know how to explain this in correct English, but H. longipes has an "enlargment" at the end of the legs number IV. H. vonwirthi doesn´t have this "enlarged" legs, if you understand what I am trying to explain in Tarzan English? o_O
 

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Ok :). If you can´t take a picture from the side, look closely at the rear legs next time she is out and about. I´m sorry, I don´t know how to explain this in correct English, but H. longipes has an "enlargment" at the end of the legs number IV. H. vonwirthi doesn´t have this "enlarged" legs, if you understand what I am trying to explain in Tarzan English? o_O
Yeah I get what you're saying, like the leg is thicker at the end?
 

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Here is a picture from the molt.
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It´s an adult specimen, no? I would expect the rear legs to be a bit more "pronounced" on a H. longipes. I would also expect this woman to have even hairier back legs (you haven´t shaved her, right? :wacky:). My guess is that this is a H. vonwirthi or a Haplopelma sp. "Vietnam", but they do look similar and I´m not certain. You can compare the length of the rear legs to the front legs on this moult. H. longipes would have significantly longer rear legs than front legs. If this specimen doesn´t have that, we can be certain that she is not a longipes.
 

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It´s an adult specimen, no? I would expect the rear legs to be a bit more "pronounced" on a H. longipes. I would also expect this woman to have even hairier back legs (you haven´t shaved her, right? :wacky:). My guess is that this is a H. vonwirthi or a Haplopelma sp. "Vietnam", but they do look similar and I´m not certain. You can compare the length of the rear legs to the front legs on this moult. H. longipes would have significantly longer rear legs than front legs. If this specimen doesn´t have that, we can be certain that she is not a longipes.
I'll check. She was almost hairless when I got her (before this molt) as she's a WC specimen. Her carapace was literally hairless.

Here she is. This is likely a Sp. Vietnam based on what you said, as the legs are fairly equal in length.
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I'll check. She was almost hairless when I got her (before this molt) as she's a WC specimen. Her carapace was literally hairless.

Here she is. This is likely a Sp. Vietnam based on what you said, as the legs are fairly equal in length.
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If you are on facebook you could sent Volker von Wirth some photos. He is a taxonomist and should be able to correctly ID it. I think he have a profile in here aswell, but i am not sure he ever uses it.
 

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What name did you purchase your spider as? To me it appears to be H. longipes but I could be wrong that's my best guess I can give you.
No, not with the front legs and rear legs being of fairly equal length. On a H. longipes the differences in length will be obvious. Only H. longipes and H. lividum has this difference in the length of leg I and IV. It might be a H. vonwirthi , but I have no idea how to separate them from a Sp. "Vietnam".
 

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If you happen to have a molt show photo of the spermathecae maybe that will help a bit. It's been a long time since I've owned any Haplopelma so I'm a bit rusty with this genus on some species. This female is Haplopelma vonwirthi in need of a molt maybe this can help you with your spider.
 

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So Volker messaged me back, he believes its a vonwirthi. If that were the case, then I'd have two! One much smaller one, and an adult female.
 

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If you happen to have a molt show photo of the spermathecae maybe that will help a bit. It's been a long time since I've owned any Haplopelma so I'm a bit rusty with this genus on some species. This female is Haplopelma vonwirthi in need of a molt maybe this can help you with your spider.
Her spermathecae is there I think, I'd have to unpin the molt and wet it quite some, but I think I can check and take a picture.
 

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That should be plenty clear enough.
Isn't this whole genus recategorized into cyriopagopus? Or just a few of the species?
 
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