Gaboon Vipers!! Puff Adders!!

[Gigas]

The second vid (I think) is a perfect example of how NOT to get a puffy out of a cage. He has two hooksticks, almost criss-crossed trying to manipulate an animal that is on the move. There are much easier and better ways of removing the animal.

I've found time to look at the vids and I have never handled a bitis sp. have no experience with true venomous snakes but i have to say he did look to be a bit brutal with the puff adder, maybe others with hots will tell me its as hard as it looks but this guy didn't care from what height he dropped the adder from and didn't seem to try adapt an easier way of putting the snake in the plastic box other than throwing it in and trying to slam the lid on as hard as possible (with bare hands).

And in the vid where he feeds the gaboon is it not a bit silly making the snake strike out through the front of the enclosure?

 

[tattoo_rebel]

Have he owned any snakes before I wonder? If not he should get a cornsnake and stop be encouraged to get hots.

well crotalus you need to stop wandering cuz i currently have atm a small boa and 2 female lavender kingsnakes in my house and a big ball python that i keep in my shop and i've kept lots of corns throughout the years, so i do have experience in corns

 

[tattoo_rebel]

'd be 100%sure he knows what he's getting himself into, and can prepare himself for when the unexpected comes...just like when he was taking care of my sling and he just decided to ignore any instructions on how to care for it, and ended up very irresponsibly doing whatever he wanted, and ended up chasing it and ripping its leg off.

And I'm still very sorry and feel bad i left ya down like that bro, yeah i'll admit i was irresponsible and i was careless and didn't listen to ya but after all what happened i realized you're friendship really meant a lot to me and i wanted to redeem myself i'm not that same ignorant bro, i really learned from this one and at least i'm very grateful you decided to give me another chance lol of all the gang you and chris were the only homies that woke up
and helped me move all tha heavy stuff at 3am and we all were crazy drunk hahaha good memories!!

I was talking with kriegster this last night, and nahh that's too much responsability right there i'm not prepared or ready to own any hots and frankly i don't have the money to invest in it or pay for that license and you need to have how much worth of insurance lol that's just ridiculous who can own it in this state lol i have to pay a lot in child support that you don't bro but yeah i definetely think i'm gonna listen to my homie and go ahead and buy some hooks and tongs and start practicing with my corns just like they were hots to feel comfortable and master them lol i did do my research to impress you krig hahah i found this website full of good info and they have a venomous forum just for that check it out you'll like it, there's this guy called BWsmith located georgia thas as perfectionist and disciplined as you lol very smart i was impressed redtailboas.com

 

[Crotalus]

well crotalus you need to stop wandering cuz i currently have atm a small boa and 2 female lavender kingsnakes in my house and a big ball python that i keep in my shop and i've kept lots of corns throughout the years, so i do have experience in corns

Wandering no. Wondering yes.

 

[Midnightrdr456]

well crotalus you need to stop wandering cuz i currently have atm a small boa and 2 female lavender kingsnakes in my house and a big ball python that i keep in my shop and i've kept lots of corns throughout the years, so i do have experience in corns

no offense meant by this, but Boas, Kings and Corns in no way really prepare you for venomous. Boas are notoriously tame for the most part, and Corns/king are basically the best beginner snake. Try keeping a more aggessive non venomous, there are some impressive ones out there, maybe a tree python for example, or tree boa.

 

[Kriegan]

And I'm still very sorry and feel bad i left ya down like that bro, yeah i'll admit i was irresponsible and i was careless and didn't listen to ya but after all what happened i realized you're friendship really meant a lot to me and i wanted to redeem myself i'm not that same ignorant bro, i really learned from this one and at least i'm very grateful you decided to give me another chance lol of all the gang you and chris were the only homies that woke up
and helped me move all tha heavy stuff at 3am and we all were crazy drunk hahaha good memories!!

I was talking with kriegster this last night, and nahh that's too much responsability right there i'm not prepared or ready to own any hots and frankly i don't have the money to invest in it or pay for that license and you need to have how much worth of insurance lol that's just ridiculous who can own it in this state lol i have to pay a lot in child support that you don't bro but yeah i definetely think i'm gonna listen to my homie and go ahead and buy some hooks and tongs and start practicing with my corns just like they were hots to feel comfortable and master them lol i did do my research to impress you krig hahah i found this website full of good info and they have a venomous forum just for that check it out you'll like it, there's this guy called BWsmith located georgia thas as perfectionist and disciplined as you lol very smart i was impressed redtailboas.com

Alright i have to say... it took me a while to descipher your paragraph, but i finally managed to! LOL!! Honestly mate, to put some comas and proofread your statements before you send them, doesn't hurt that much..does it?

It does take a lot of courage for someone to be truthful to himself, and admit what he's capable of, and what he's willing to do to accomplish this. I do think it's very mature and responsible of you that you can accept the fact that you're not ready to assume this serious responsability right now, and that does impress me, if you still feel it doesn't I don't want you to feel that I'm putting you down or belittling you, because i do believe with your own efforts, you can learn and develop skills later on that would make you feel more confident about yourself and what you can do. You're not dumb or retarded as you say, you just need to have better discipline, take life seriously, and organize yourself first. Don't rush anything or be so impulsive in wanting things to happen, just wait until you gain enough experience, the will, and the money to want to invest in this.

And it's not redtailboas.com, did you mean redtailboas.net!:?
Grrr:evil: I spent some time trying to figure that one out... But i'm glad i did, very informative, lots of venomous enthusiasts in one same forum sharing different thoughts and ideas, good stuff:clap: I also found this very informative sticky called Kindergarten through 12th grade hot keeping, and while i do have some minor disagreements, overall i think it resumes very diligently what venomous snake keeping is all about. Everyone considering keeping hots should spare the time to read the basics they would need to learn:

http://redtailboa.net/forums/t10981-k-through-12-hot-keeping.html

Also, I found a good example of how organized and clean your hot space should look like, it's not perfect and spotless, but i like the details he considers worth thinking about, 2 thumbs up for this guy, very well prepared!!:clap:

http://redtailboa.net/forums/t11712-the-hot-room.html

Best regards,
Ulrich

 

[Kriegan]

I've found time to look at the vids and I have never handled a bitis sp. have no experience with true venomous snakes but i have to say he did look to be a bit brutal with the puff adder, maybe others with hots will tell me its as hard as it looks but this guy didn't care from what height he dropped the adder from and didn't seem to try adapt an easier way of putting the snake in the plastic box other than throwing it in and trying to slam the lid on as hard as possible (with bare hands).

Since the puff was not long, he should've used a far deeper trash can to avoid this, it would've been much easier just to make him descend to a deeper bin. And i wouldn't have used those type of hooks to grab it, as soon as he repeatedly failed to put the puff in the shallow bin and things started to go wrong, i would've used the tongs to restrain it and not keep pushing my luck. Check out his face when he finishes that ordeal, i bet he's not doing that again...or at least i hope he figured out the easier and safer way by now.

 

[tattoo_rebel]

And it's not redtailboas.com, did you mean redtailboas.net!:?
Grrr:evil: I spent some time trying to figure that one out...

OOPZ!!!!!My bad bro heheh i should've re-checked my post;P but you did found it see yar intelligent homie you don't need me to spell it right

 

[tattoo_rebel]

I don't want you to feel that I'm putting you down or belittling you, because i do believe with your own efforts, you can learn and develop skills later on that would make you feel more confident about yourself and what you can do. You're not dumb or retarded as you say, you just need to have better discipline, take life seriously, and organize yourself first.

And it's not redtailboas.com, did you mean redtailboas.net!:?
Grrr:evil: I spent some time trying to figure that one out...[/QUOTE]

OOPZ!!!!!My bad bro heheh i should've re-checked my post;P but you did found it see yar intelligent homie you don't need me to spell it right lol that's a tight website, i'm glad ya liked it, see that guy bwsmith lives in georgia and he has tha permit to keep them, so they'll probably make you wait and then give ya the permit as soon as you move to inspect the location, the room and all that stuff. You guys should look for an apt with three bedrooms so ya have more space for the hots;P lol You already talked to her about the idea of getting maybe a house with tha basement or garage? I think you should get both the gaboon and the naja first, or just the gaboon until you start over and get some more. heheh Now i'll be there every week wanting to check them out lol. Yeah i understand we're not gonna be so close and i don't expect ya trusting me so soon after i let ya down with tha sling man, like i said befpre, that coming from you means a lot to me and yeah i feel you do see me as an incompetent and a mediocre clown after what i did, but i'm trying hard to improve myself and now i see life very different and i'm more serious and i look up to ya a lot homie , you have skills and intelligence that i wish i'd had i don't know i always see ya doing something productive and confident and i feel like an ink airhead lol but i even care to clean my house before ya come over cause i know you'll just start cleaning up my mess and start lecturing about how no one can live in this dump lol but yeah i'm changing my lifestyle and i changed my mind about wanting to get into hotz right now, so yeah i'll just work my way up bro

 

[Midnightrdr456]

There is a redtailboas.com website also. Though most of the people there are just boas, balls and some large pythons, barely anything about venomous really.

Also....a little puncuation never hurt anyone. It takes alot to sit down and read your paragraphs.

 

[Kriegan]

...and i look up to ya a lot homie , you have skills and intelligence that i wish i'd had i don't know i always see ya doing something productive and confident and i feel like an ink airhead lol but i even care to clean my house before ya come over cause i know you'll just start cleaning up my mess and start lecturing about how no one can live in this dump lol...

You flatter me too much mate I'm starting to get scared you'll want to get married or something like that with all the nice things you say to me.

I did found another interesting one for you last night called So you want a Hot? It discusses different reasons for wanting/not wanting to keep venomous, and it has some pics of a Western Diamondback bite. Notice one of the posts adresses wanting to own hots for the wrong reasons and because it's "kool":evil:

http://www.redtailboas.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13333

You were also asking to see some venomous bites the other day, and i did found this too...WARNING THESE BITES ARE VERY EXPLICIT!! I dunno if the one in the first link its fake or not, it does look terribly real and it definetely gives you a quick reality check, and makes you want to be even more cautious and alert when you're working with them.

http://www.rattlesnakebite.org/rattlesnakepics.htm

http://www.venomousreptiles.org/libraries/Snakebite Photos/1 scroll the pages to see all the bite pics

Best regards,
Ulrich

 

[Crotalus]

This might be of interest :
http://vipersgarden.at/biss.html

 

[Kriegan]

This might be of interest :
http://vipersgarden.at/biss.html

LOL!! Vielen dank Lelle after seeing that right before dinner:wall: mir ist schlecht!! LOL! But very interesting indeed!

 

[CID143ti]

Oh my lord! I just saw this series of videos and wow! Beautiful snakes...but wow, I can't believe the risks that were taken. Why do things the risky way?

 

[Jevans11428]

ya the gabbys have a very qiuke strike but i would sat they would be one of the best hots to start with since they dont move very much, ive worked with cobras of all sorts and they ae really garter snaks with and attitude. what you really need to worry about is the fer de lance and the neotropicals so unless your messin around with those u really dont have to much to worry about

 

[dtknow]

If that is the case(haven't bothered watching the vids), it is interesting that this guy is being presented to the internet public as a responsible hot keeper. A real guy needs to get on there and show them how it is really supposed to be done.

 

[ErikH]

Those videos prove it is way too easy for idiots to obtain hots. How he hasn't been bitten by now is just dumb luck. Something else to think about before keeping hots: Where is the nearest dose of antivenin for the species you are keeping? No one plans on getting tagged, but accidents happen even to the most careful. After getting bitten, it would not be good to find out that the antivenin needs to be flown out from Florida and it will be 4 hours before the hospital can get it.

 

[Gigas]

He's been bitten 2wice so far, once last year lol.

But he does have Atheris though :drool:

 

[Selenops]

If I lived in a state where it was legal to own venomous reptiles... my dreamsnake... is the Crotalus cerastes... the Sidewinder.

I've known people who have collected hots and these little beauties have always caught my eyes. I was in near tears when a friend had shown me his and had to practically damn near pry me away physically from the terrarium.

He even playfully demonstrated defensive posturing by tapping in a light raps on the glass high above the coiled rattler and to hear that minute insect-like "buzz" of the rattle and that triangular head motioning back and forth investigating, then curiously exploring that corner of the terrarium was like a glowing religious experience.

He had three specimens ranging between 2 1/2' to 1' in length.

There was other venomous snakes there such as Pacific Rattlers, Western Diamondbacks, etc.

But C. cerastes are a small and more managable species in my estimates. I am in love with these little guys.

 

[SouthernStyle]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vciqMuDcs4

DEFINATELY SOMETHING I wouldnt want to play with~ Look @ how Fast that Damn thing Strikes! The Video Thread above is SERIOUSLY kick ass though!