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Elytra and Antenna

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centipede taxo stuff and being totally utterly wrong
Your memory is very selective. The issue was misidentification of one species which was commonly misidentified and the original misidentification came from another book. The citation I gave had to do with the presence of a middorsal suture from Shelley's 02' book but that character was insignificant considering it was from the wrong family. None of the chapter information was wrong.
Where did you write you kept Orthoporus and AGBs?
 

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Cacoseraph, eltera and.... atyinaa! Your arguing IS TAERING US APART! :'(
And look all I know is when I hold mine they bite my fingers. And they ain't dead buddy! What is to stop them from doing that to baby AGB's?!
 

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You get used to it, they are just doing their thing, haha. Are ALL the babies gone?
 

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Other people know a lot more about millis than I do on this site but it seems like millis don't have mouth parts and the speed to capture live prey, even baby millis. And I think their mouth parts aren't designed to scrape very well on smooth things like other millis. But I don't know, maybe we'll get some comments about that. I haven't read a post about AGBs eating other millis but ...I also pass up most milli posts.
 

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Don't millipedes eat their own exoskeleton once they molt to salvage lost nutrients? When I had my 3 AGBs not once did I see an exoskeleton in 3 years and my largest one had grown nearly 4 inches in that time (she was 12+''). So if they eat their own exoskeleton, what is stopping them from consuming baby millipedes when nutrients are lacking?


I have experienced many herbivores consuming eachother (my isopods do it all the time, yet I have a 40 gallon tub filled with rotting leaves, carrot shavings, and cork bark). When I find a dead body, it is consumed by the following day. I have also had entire batches of babies that have "mysteriously" disappeared when I regrettably neglected them for a few weeks (still checking on them periodically though).
 

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Your memory is very selective. The issue was misidentification of one species which was commonly misidentified and the original misidentification came from another book. The citation I gave had to do with the presence of a middorsal suture from Shelley's 02' book but that character was insignificant considering it was from the wrong family. None of the chapter information was wrong.
Where did you write you kept Orthoporus and AGBs?
i'm talking about you laughing at him for his use of ring furrows to dif NW/OW. and your supposed expert that laughed at the concept...that never manifested. you *do* remember that, right? the Ethmostigmus thing you also laughed at him for... but i bet you use the correction in your next book version and don't give him credit, eh?



we are "arguing" to nail down facts of taxo and husbandry. seems pretty important to me.... this being an invert care and culturing site and all
 

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"i've never kept them. don't go in much for leafeaters. just read about them."

If I do a search how am I supposed to know which of your statements are false and which true?
you really need to take me up on the english lessons

them is a pronoun. this is a word that represents other nouns. in that case it is refering to narceus, as is READILY apparent from the original thread. when i have explained that and you continue to take quotes out of context and make them purposefully misleading i really have to question the value of debating anythign with you. your posts often obviously have no problem stretchign the truth to the breaking point ;)

also, your quote cite doesn't even point to the right post ;)
 

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Some facts about millipedes feed on animal stuff.

The species Mycogona germanica (Chordeumatida) feeds about 35% on arthropods carcass (Haacker 1968). I collected more than 100 specimens in the field in different regions and found them mainly in the leaflitter. All the years I didn't found one specimen feeding on a dead bug or so. So not seeing them eating on animals is not a proof. To examine the dejection of millipedes catched in nature is the right way...

Blaniulus guttulatus (Julida: Blaniulidae) also feeds of animal stuff and was found in many cases in carasses, even human.

A few of the members of Callipodids (Callipodida) feeds mainly on Arthropods, they even hunt and catch them with there long legs on daytime.

Only some facts on Spirostreptids out of literature:

There are some Spirostreptids that live in caves and feeds on the excrement of blood sucking bats. They are specialised on it.

Urostreptus varhalhoi and Conchostreptus pictus (Spirostreptida) sometimes take up ants and mites with there food. Conchostreptus pictus also attacked and ate an Onychophorian.

A frog (Hyla sp. ) was attacked and ate by Heteropyge araguayensis.

I think there is still a lack of knowledge about the feeding of millipedes. Every species is different and has different preferences in feeding. There are only a few studies about it and so the hobbyists have to improvise with the (nonnatural) food. I kept dozens of different millipede species in my life and after a while you recognize what they prefer or need and what not. There are many species who don't care of animal stuff but there are species who need it and then ignore it for some weeks and there are some species who like to eat it in shorter periods. I usually use fishflakes and dead crickets.

By the way they will take up protein by feeding on the rotten stuff anyhow. Think about a cow that standing on a green meadow eating grass. It would be interesting what weight of Arthropods this cow already ate in its lifetime. I think we all would be surprised.
 

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another thing to consider is that in nature, in its natural habitat, a millipede is essentially growing up in an area that is sort of guaranteed to provide the nutrients it requires, one way or another. sort of like, by definition.

in cap... well... does *anyone* have all the native plants of africa that are in range of AGBs? do you have all the herbivores that eat them (cuz i suspect a lotof mills would be happy eating herbivore crap). cuz there might be some kinda beneficial bacteria or products thereof that the mills are gaining advantage from


captivity, to me, is all about figuring out what works IN CAPTIVITY. nature is an excellent source of info but sometimes you have to take short cuts and/or short circuit things cuz doing it the "real" way is totally and utterly unfeasible.


i expect millipeter knows exactly what i mean :)
 

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I didn't even suggest AGBs won't eat dead crickets, dead baby millipedes, etc. I said it would likely foul the cage over time.
More importantly, throwing in a few dead bugs won't keep the immatures from dying if they don't have proper food. I've published details on breeding and rearing AGBs from egg to adult along with accompanying photographs of life cylce stages. In additions to reproduction I've reared groups of them from egg to maturity. The help I tried to offer is based on real captive husbandry versus wild gueses. (This is a response to previous questions, not the following quote.)

The species Mycogona germanica (Chordeumatida) feeds about 35% on arthropods carcass (Haacker 1968). I collected more than 100 specimens in the field in different regions and found them mainly in the leaflitter. All the years I didn't found one specimen feeding on a dead bug or so. So not seeing them eating on animals is not a proof.
What's the author's evidence for the 35% if your field observations are directly contrary? Gut content analysis?
Have you had success rearing and breeding AGBs using dead animals?
 

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Well I have never kept an AGB, prob only a matter of time before I decide to get one or two. But I'll throw an idea out there anyway. What about trying the Tetra fish flakes. The can I have says 49% crude protein on the label. Crickets, pillbugs, roaches, they like it. Seems like millis would dig it, but do they need it?... I don't know but I might let them have only now and then if they went for it pretty hard, seems better than dead crix anyway. Anybody here try it yet, fish flakes? I kept a Sulcata tortoise for 9 years before it broke through my fence on an acre (backyard). It basically lived wild and I wouldn't see him for days sometimes. I saw it several times eating a dead squirrel and other really nasty stuff. I'm sure he didn't need to eat that stuff but he sure seemed to like it. But a tortoise is not going to chase down a squirrel very often so I knew he wouldn't OD on animal protein. Haha, ..tortoises and millipedes ..how'd that happen?
yeah fish flakes are great. I feed them to my narceus americanus colony(if its accurate to call them a colony lol) and my agbs too. the roaches and crix love them . and tey arent very expensive
 

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No, the character was placement of the head and had nothing to do with NW/OW.
well... i can't remember ALL your mistakes ;)

i am almost positive it had to do with ring furrow, which WOULD have to do with NWOW




I didn't even suggest AGBs won't eat dead crickets, dead baby millipedes, etc. I said it would likely foul the cage over time.
More importantly, throwing in a few dead bugs won't keep the immatures from dying if they don't have proper food. I've published details on breeding and rearing AGBs from egg to adult along with accompanying photographs of life cylce stages. In additions to reproduction I've reared groups of them from egg to maturity. The help I tried to offer is based on real captive husbandry versus wild gueses. (This is a response to previous questions, not the following quote.)
lol. why do i hear "abandon ship abandon ship". anyhow.... the issue is ALL about using crickets to supplement nutrients. you did read the thread title, right? and just because you never said, literally quote "crickets is bad for the ABGz lol" doesn't mean you weren't implying the heck out of it.

and i agree, AGB can not live on cricket alone... but you can you really, with all honesty, that crickets would not be a good supplement? i agree... if someone just started pitching bodies in all willynilly and had a low vent rig they would probably eventualy foul the substrate. but a cricket per milli, delivered on a food tray maybe once or twice a year? hardly any more danger of fouling/mold blooming than your low vent, active leaf litter rig ;)
 
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Can anybody give me specifically where in Africa AGBs can be found? Can someone nail it down to a nation or two they can be found in?
 

Elytra and Antenna

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lol. why do i hear "abandon ship abandon ship".
It sounds like you are hearing those voices as a result of guilt.

1. Selective memory, creative quotation and paraphrasing is one thing, falsifying information is another. Ring furrow regarding OW/NW is something you wholly fabricated and is extremely easy to disprove since the original debate is recorded and readily accessible. Easily proven libel is a quickly won tort and likely against AB rules as well. Despite a few of your comments I'm assuming this spirited debate is primarily a way for you to increase your post count so I am offering you a friendly warning (I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you accidentally made up a false quote due to a poor memory and it wasn't a malicious attack; now that you're backpedaling on your fabrication and at the same time you can't seem to remember the post you responded to yesterday, let alone someone else's conversation a few years ago). In the future you might run into someone who can't laugh off libel.

2. Steven was acknowledged for information provided for an article I wrote on breeding Alipes for the March 2006 I-M. His name is also listed in the acknowledgements for help provided for the latest edition. However, it has nothing to do with the physical details used to differentiate Otostigminae described in the latest edition of Giant Centipedes The Enthusiast's Handbook. The described physical detail information was added to a previous edition, and provided by a taxonomist who was also thanked in the acknowledgements. The detail is definitive but wasn't (and maybe still hasn't been) explained here.

3. In your endless search for straws to grasp you may point out I stopped keeping, breeding and offering AGBs a few years ago but it had nothing to do with husbandry (concerns with upcoming regulatory changes). I've published photographic documentation of life stages along with written details and many other's have had the same success with similar rearing setups (repeatability). I was very successful for close to a decade but for many years prior to that, without knowledge of acceptable husbandry, they did not breed and rarely lived more than a year or two. Assuming I can't sift the information from your mountain of incoherent posts, what is your total AGB experience?

4. Reread my first post in this thread a few times (or read it for the first time). Trying to feed a dead cricket as a solution to incorrect feeding instead of solving the problem will just cause more dead animals. Feeding dead crickets is a false cure and false cures can certainly be deadly. Usually I just wince when you offer your husbandry 'advice' theories but sometimes when it looks like people believe you, my concern for other enthusiasts outweighs the barrage of personal attacks I know I'll suffer.
 
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