first post ; scorpion handling :)

[C5cyaneus]

Hello, I'm seeking information on the temperament and handling suitability of two scorpion species: Javanimetrus cyaneus and Heterometrus laoticus. While handling scorpions is generally discouraged, I’d like to know which of these species is more likely to tolerate gentle handling How do their temperaments differ, and to what extent does individual personality influence their behavior? Please provide a detailed comparison based on reliable sources or expert knowledg

 

[BoyFromLA]

It’s pretty simple. Just don’t.

 

[Ultum4Spiderz]

These animals don’t understand what handling is I would avoid doing so.

 

[C5cyaneus]

I didn’t ask if you should or shouldn’t lmao read the question again

 

[Ultum4Spiderz]

I didn’t ask if you should or shouldn’t lmao read the question again

individuals vary on temperament.
Ok Don’t do it over something hard like concrete if they fall they can die .

 

[C5cyaneus]

It’s pretty simple. Just don’t.

please don’t tell me what to do my pet

Ok Don’t do it over something hard like concrete if they fall they can die .

of course I wouldn’t, Jesus Christ I don’t get why people get so triggered in the arachnid community
but thanks for pointing out the obvious

 

[viper69]

of course I wouldn’t, Jesus Christ I don’t get why people get so triggered in the arachnid community
but thanks for pointing out the obvious

A significant reason is because tons of people come here asking your very question in one form or another, and we end up reading stories how a helpless animal was killed due to handling.

Responsible owners don’t handle them, irresponsible/selfish owners do handle them and kill them, it’s not rocket science, just common sense. But common sense isn’t common.

I don’t care if the human drops dead, but I do care if an arachnid dies.

 

[Mustafa67]

Hello, I'm seeking information on the temperament and handling suitability of two scorpion species: Javanimetrus cyaneus and Heterometrus laoticus. While handling scorpions is generally discouraged, I’d like to know which of these species is more likely to tolerate gentle handling How do their temperaments differ, and to what extent does individual personality influence their behavior? Please provide a detailed comparison based on reliable sources or expert knowledg

Don’t handle these kind of animals.

Handle a cat, a dog or a mammal. If you want a small animal to handle get a hamster

 

[C5cyaneus]

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A significant reason is because tons of people come here asking your very question in one form or another, and we end up reading stories how a helpless animal was killed due to handling.

Responsible owners don’t handle them, irresponsible/selfish owners do handle them and kill them, it’s not rocket science, just common sense. But common sense isn’t common.

I don’t care if the human drops dead, but I do care if an arachnid dies.

yawn 🥱

A significant reason is because tons of people come here asking your very question in one form or another, and we end up reading stories how a helpless animal was killed due to handling.

Responsible owners don’t handle them, irresponsible/selfish owners do handle them and kill them, it’s not rocket science, just common sense. But common sense isn’t common.

I don’t care if the human drops dead, but I do care if an arachnid dies.

Wait a second you think I care if I drop dead lmao? I’m a paranoid schizophrenic

Don’t handle these kind of animals.

Handle a cat, a dog or a mammal. If you want a small animal to handle get a hamster

“scorpions can sometimes become accustomed to handling, especially certain species like Emperor scorpions, they are not truly "tamed" and do not bond with humans.” I’ve owned everything from iguana to reticulated and everything in between. gentle handing should be fine not like every day just once in a blue moon there are plenty of YouTube videos on people handling them

 

[viper69]

there are plenty of YouTube videos on people handling them

There’s no accounting for their stupidity

YouTube is monkey see monkey do

 

[C5cyaneus]

There’s no accounting for their stupidity

YouTube is monkey see monkey do

Who hurt you bro? You just seem a little bitter get over yourself “old timer” have a good day

 

[viper69]

Who hurt you bro? You just seem a little bitter get over yourself “old timer” have a good day

I’m not bitter, just stating the obvious, “peon”.

Your thought process of other people are doing it is flawed 100%, makes me wonder what else you would do just because people on YouTube do it
Good day!

 

[Smotzer]

there are plenty of YouTube videos on people handling them

Yeah I mean there are videos doing so, but these dont really reflect what can be considered optimal approach to caring for these animals. They may "tolerate" it, meaning they are being in a more frozen state of defensiveness while being handled trying to not draw attention to themselves. But that only lasts as long as it last before they become actively defensive towards the handler, or try to escape and fall and can become seriously injured or die.

“scorpions can sometimes become accustomed to handling, especially certain species like Emperor scorpions, they are not truly "tamed" and do not bond with humans.” I’ve owned everything from iguana to reticulated and everything in between. gentle handing should be fine not like every day just once in a blue moon

I wouldnt say they become accustomed to handling, although you'll find folks that may say so, because people like the idea of it, even if it is not correct to handle. Handling reptiles is a very very different pehonomenon from arachnids, not trying to be argumentative just trying to educative. They really do not become de sensitized the way a bearded dragon or python might.

Javanimetrus cyaneus and Heterometrus laoticus. While handling scorpions is generally discouraged, I’d like to know which of these species is more likely to tolerate gentle handling

While I like all the other members suggest its not a great idea, beecause its not in the best intrest of the animals life, as far as which species would be better there is no way to give you a clear answer like you are wanting because of all the information above I mentioned, such as how they are not like herps, temperament in general and ability or lack therof to respond to human presence is not at all the same, so individual temperament plays such a larger role.

 

[C5cyaneus]

Yeah I mean there are videos doing so, but these dont really reflect what can be considered optimal approach to caring for these animals. They may "tolerate" it, meaning they are being in a more frozen state of defensiveness while being handled trying to not draw attention to themselves. But that only lasts as long as it last before they become actively defensive towards the handler, or try to escape and fall and can become seriously injured or die.

I wouldnt say they become accustomed to handling, although you'll find folks that may so so, because people like the idea of it, even if it is not correct. Handling reptiles is a very very different pehonomenon from arachnids, not trying to be argumentative just trying to educative. They really do not become de sensitized the way a bearded dragon or python might.

While I like all the other members suggest its not a great idea, beecause its not in the best intrest of the animals life, as far as which species would be better there is no way to give you a clear answer like you are wanting because of all the information above I mentioned, such as how they are not like herps, temperament in general and ability or lack therof to respond to human presence is not at all the same, so individual temperament plays such a larger role.

Hi, thank you for your kind advice brought a tear to my eye. I really appreciate your informative advice and wish more people were like you. Have a good weekend! Mate

 

[Mustafa67]

“scorpions can sometimes become accustomed to handling, especially certain species like Emperor scorpions, they are not truly "tamed" and do not bond with humans.” I’ve owned everything from iguana to reticulated and everything in between. gentle handing should be fine not like every day just once in a blue moon there are plenty of YouTube videos on people handling them

Did you get that quote off chatGPT?

A significant reason is because tons of people come here asking your very question in one form or another, and we end up reading stories how a helpless animal was killed due to handling.

Responsible owners don’t handle them, irresponsible/selfish owners do handle them and kill them, it’s not rocket science, just common sense. But common sense isn’t common.

I don’t care if the human drops dead, but I do care if an arachnid dies.

This is the answer to your question. You wouldn’t grab a goldfish and handle it and you shouldn’t handle a scorpion nor tarantula neither. It may bolt, bite, flick in your eyes, sting or fall on the floor and die. If you search as much as you claim to do you should have come across how many kill their arachnids by accident with innocent intentions like yours.

Take note of what experienced people say on this forum. Shouldn’t own the animal if gonna be ignorant with their care.

 

[Smotzer]

Hi, thank you for your kind advice brought a tear to my eye. I really appreciate your informative advice and wish more people were like you. Have a good weekend! Mate

No problem!! I am happy to help!! Hope you have a good weekend as well! I also greatly appreciate you're respectful and positive response!

So just some information for you about why we have said what we said- Often times our members, including myself, here have dealt with a lot of folks that come back to us when things go poorly for the animals, especially when it relates to handling, and it takes a toll when it happens over and over again (and its completely avoidable); hope you can understand why there is a passionate "no don't handle" response. It's because we really wan't you, as an arachnid keeper to have the best experience keeping scorpions, and the scorpion have the best chance at life without unnecessary risks, so both parties avoid having to deal with an injured animal, or escapes, stings, or worse possibly the death of the animal. We all here on AB truly really do care very much for the care and well being of animals! I hope you can understand that it is not a personal thing towards you by anyone, its purely about the well being of animal, nothing more!

 

[C5cyaneus]

no problem but you can now see why it is confusing people say one thing yet do another I mean I emailed @GEO scorps I’m not sure if there known. In the community To ask their opinion said pretty much the same yet when you go on his instagram

Did you get that quote off chatGPT?


This is the answer to your question. You wouldn’t grab a goldfish and handle it and you shouldn’t handle a scorpion nor tarantula neither. It may bolt, bite, flick in your eyes, sting or fall on the floor and die. If you search as much as you claim to do you should have come across how many kill their arachnids by accident with innocent intentions like yours.

Take note of what experienced people say on this forum. Shouldn’t own the animal if gonna be ignorant with their care.

Good thing I don’t have tarantulas

 

[Smotzer]

no problem but you can now see why it is confusing people say one thing yet do another....... To ask their opinion said pretty much the same yet when you go on his instagram

Yuuuup this is exactly what I was trying to say! We see it everyday!! People see one thing online on social media, clickbait titles, videos, bad practices, etc get a lot more views or clicks then just regular old good "boring" proper animal husbandry does!! So even if the person does actually handle them they may try and make it look like they do (like that screenshot you posted) or do so in the video becase ya know..... views, its the sad reality of today, views/likes/clicks are more important than the best care .
I 100% agree that it is extremely confusing and it leads to people not really understanding what "proper care" is, or why something shouldn't be done, if all they see emulated on social media is the exact opposite and then come here to the largest arachnid community and information source of Arachnoboards and get told their wrong, its a huge shock.

 

[C5cyaneus]

yes I agree now I see there are some decent people on this forum but as a new comer there is a lot nicer of ways off putting it for example saying “I don’t care if a human drops dead yet they care if a scorpion / tarantula does” is a little extreme don’t you think I’m not a snowflake i don’t mind anyways thank you for actually being decent

 

[The Snark]

Paraphrased, "Handle just like you would a $5 trick you picked up at a sleazy bar. You know what your getting into, now enjoy."
From a local rather practical entomologist. I've been waiting for years for an opportunity to quote her.