Feeding pinky mice..? No pictures

[sunnymarcie]

Feeding pinky mice..? No gross pictures

I decided to try pinky mice for a T snack.
Only one of my T's knew what to do with it
and I missed the shot
Anyway the other T, a G. rosea, does not seem to
want to have anything to do with it.
Any ideas as to why some T's will not eat mice?
Here is a picture of the rosie....

 

[sunnymarcie]

Here is another shot

It's like she walked up and sniffed it, then left it.
The pinky moved and she pounced on it, but that
was all

 

[deifiler]

I'm wondering the same, I've done a very primative study with a lot of my spiders as to which will eat pre-killed and which won't... Nothing fancy or too scientific, just will they take pre-killed food or not. Surprsingly (This isn't a theory, just a fact based on my LIMITED 'tests' the arboreal spiders seem more prone to take prekilled food, despite it being placed 'on the floor'. I suppose this could tie in with the theory of them eating baby birds, though it's probably a co-incidence, with the fact of a spider eating pre-killed food more dependant on the individual...

It's all on my site which should be 'ready' soon... (Oh man that's becoming quite a cliché of mien isn't it!)

Was it prekilled or still alive? Incase you don't know, it's "illegal" to feed live vertabrates to other animals in the UK

 

[sunnymarcie]

.....Was it prekilled or still alive? Incase you don't know, it's "illegal" to feed live vertabrates to other animals in the UK (deifiler)

Someone here said that before, thats odd. Their food (in nature)
is NOT pre-killed, so why should we do it?

Well, my pinky mouse was alive, and it was an A.avic
that ate it. I just placed it on the ground in his jar.
I woke up the next morning and he had eaten it.

 

[AudreyElizabeth]

I offered a pinky to my huge curly the other day, and she acted like she was scared of it. It was a teeny tiny one too. I fished it out of the tank and dropped it in the Usambara tank. next morning, no more pinky. I didn't try the A avic, cause she's rather small and shes getting a fat bottom. No meals for at least a week.

It is illegal to feed live vertibrates to your animals in the UK? I usually dont feed anything bigger than a pinky live, but only because I fear that the other animal will get injured from a bite or scratch.

 

[deifiler]

Originally posted by sunnymarcie
.....Was it prekilled or still alive? Incase you don't know, it's "illegal" to feed live vertabrates to other animals in the UK (deifiler)

Someone here said that before, thats odd. Their food (in nature)
is NOT pre-killed, so why should we do it?

Well, my pinky mouse was alive, and it was an A.avic
that ate it. I just placed it on the ground in his jar.
I woke up the next morning and he had eaten it.

The whole RSPCA (Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals) Basically protects anything with a spine, other than those classed as vermin. Ironically, the rodents are regarded as evil expendable creatures, that is until someone wants to expend of them in a nutritious way.

I'm not 100% sure on the risks, though I know you can be 'banned' to a certain extent of keeping animals that would require this. I also don't know as to what extent this law is true, but I shall look into it. I wouldn't feed them live anyway; although in the wild they do eat live animals, my captive ones are exactly that, and I've spent good money on them so I wouldn't take the risk of them getting owned by what is essentially a meal.

As for the in the nature arguement though, it's not natures way for the spiders to be boxed up

Some say the whole power of disposing of a creatures life in this way is brutal, and yup, you guessed it, may lead to the owner becoming a serial killer. So it seems feeding live mice are the new rock-n-roll Here's a -dare I say interesting?- article with soem brief information on the sadistic qualities of feeding our vile eight-legged spawn of satans:

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38.

HOW THE OWNERSHIP OF "PET" SNAKES, TARANTULAS AND OTHER SPIDERS CONTRIBUTES TO SADO-SEXUAL VIOLENCE IN OUR SOCIETY

Many social workers believe, as increasingly supported in scientific studies, that bullying and aggressive behaviour in children and adults is often a legacy of violent, or "brutalising", experiences in childhood. (See ref. Sunday Times, Oct. 8th, ‘95.) As one observer asked, what could be a better example of such "brutalisation" than youngsters observing the feeding by their parents of live mice to ‘pet’ snakes as well as other live prey to ‘pet’ tarantulas. Moreover, the terror of the victims encourages the worst kind of sadistic cruelty in susceptible children. Therefore, aggressive behaviour and sadistic violence is given every opportunity to flourish into more sadistic pastimes as they proceed towards adulthood. (The Guardian and Independent, Oct. 12-13, ’98 respectively. Excerpts are printed on page 22 under the title: ‘Evidence indicates that Children Who Abuse Animals May Commit Similar Sadistic Violent Acts Against other Children and Later in Life Against Adults.’) The common factor running through these identical issues is the progressive desensitisation of the vulnerable children involved, as well as adults.


"

 

[Code Monkey]

So basically it's the old because a mentally disturbed turd might be unduly influenced by this, we're going to ban it for everyone mentality? Got to love bleeding heart morons.

 

[AudreyElizabeth]

Oh lord.... Next they'll take the nature programs off the air. Now we wont be able to see that awesome cheetah catch that gazelle.
Really I think that article is silly. If the tendancy is there to be violent it is going to manifest somehow, through any outlet.

 

[Telson]

While I advocate the right of arachnid keepers to feed larger prey items to their larger arachnids (ie; pinky mice bred for such a purpose to a T which is too large to thrive on crickets alone) I can understand the intent of those who would try to make it a crime, though I think their logic is highly flawed and missguided. I think that the vast majority of keepers who feed vertibrates to their pets are doing so simply out of necessity, or at least what they consider a necessity. An 11" parahybana for instance would not fare well on crickets alone I would not imagine, and I personally had a large emperor scorp once that shunned crickets entirely but would not hesitate to take a small feeder lizard and chow down.

I think it comes down to responsible keepers knowing when it's needed and when it's not in as far as adult keepers, and as for children keeping arachnids, it falls upon their parrents to make the final determination and to know as much about the arachnids being kept by their children as their children do. Obviously a 14 year old who lists among his favorite things to do "pulling the wings off flys, burning ants with a magnifying glass, and shooting birds with a pellet gun", should not be allowed to keep arachnids in the first place. Nor should those who chose to feed vertibrate prey items at every opportunity regardless of necessity "because it's cool to watch".

IMHO only prey items bred for the purpose of BEING prey items should be fed to predatory pets, and predatory pets should only be kept by those with with a stable moral compass. Adults who are already mwentally "bent" are beyond control, but it is up to parrents to make sure that their childrens moral compass in on track and that their children understand the reasoning behind feeding such prey items to their pets.

I've known a number of people who have been fascinated by snakes, T's, scorps, etc., and their one wish was that they didn't have to feed them live foods. That is IMO the very best mental attitude on the matter, but as most of us simply accept the necessity of it and avoid doing it when crickets will do the job adequately, I don't think the "bleeding heart morons" have as much to whine about as they would like to make the world think.

The serial killers among us are going to become serial killers regardless, and they can blame heavy metal music, dungeons and dragon RPGs, violence in the news, violence on TV, violence in the movies, or what ever and it won't change a thing.

 

[sunnymarcie]

The serial killers among us are going to become serial killers regardless, and they can blame heavy metal music, dungeons and dragon RPGs, violence in the news, violence on TV, violence in the movies, or what ever and it won't change a thing.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[MizM]

PetSmart in So. Cal. will not sell feeder mammals. But they WILL sell feeder fish and crickets.:? And they WILL sell reptiles that EAT feeder mammals.:?
Where's the logic in THAT I wonder?:?

 

[AudreyElizabeth]

They are trying to make a buck and feel good about it at the same time.

I guess it isn't cruel to feed live fish to animals.

 

[Mister Internet]

Originally posted by HerpInvertGirl
Really I think that article is silly. If the tendancy is there to be violent it is going to manifest somehow, through any outlet.

The article quoted the Guardian and Independent, I think that's enough to pretty much write it off right there.

 

[Telson]

Originally posted by MizM
PetSmart in So. Cal. will not sell feeder mammals. But they WILL sell feeder fish and crickets.:? And they WILL sell reptiles that EAT feeder mammals.:?
Where's the logic in THAT I wonder?:?

Here's a thought! Lets all picket PetSmart for selling pets and leaving new owners without a way to feed them!! ;P

 

[MizM]

I stopped shopping there a LONG time ago!

 

[AudreyElizabeth]

Originally posted by Mister Internet
The article quoted the Guardian and Independent, I think that's enough to pretty much write it off right there.

I've never heard of either. I take it they are nothing but a big load of bull?

Telson- Good idea about the boycott! It would be silly on both the effort and the pocket book to keep any large collection of invertebrates, snakes, not to mention monitors and other large lizards sustained on crickets. Like I said, they are just trying to promote an "Aw aren't we kind, you want to buy from us" message. Sheesh. They could at least sell the pre-killed frozen rodents. (Ever thaw out a mouse in your microwave?? *LOL* I've found it makes your mother look at you like your crazy, but it's better than having a scarred up snake or monitor.)

 

[chuck]

it is also illegal to feed live prey such as pinkies in nyc. but i still do it, im already knee deep in inverts. my cuz works at a pet store and she hooks me up with newborn gerbils, guinea pigs, mice, whatever. my L.parahybana, and B.smithi will both take pre-killed and live verts. My usambara will not eat a pre-killed pinkie, and i havent tried giving her a live one. and my asian forest scorps will eat a pre-killed pinkie as well as live.

 

[MizM]

I didn't know that was a state governed thing.

Well, if Arnold Schwarzzenegger is elected governor in CA, we'll be able to feed ANYTHING to OUR ts!

 

[deifiler]

Originally posted by MizM
I didn't know that was a state governed thing.

Well, if Arnold Schwarzzenegger is elected governor in CA, we'll be able to feed ANYTHING to OUR ts!

Even steroids?

Sharp is the mind of this boy!

 

[hillie16]

Originally posted by MizM
PetSmart in So. Cal. will not sell feeder mammals. But they WILL sell feeder fish and crickets.:? And they WILL sell reptiles that EAT feeder mammals.:?
Where's the logic in THAT I wonder?:?

I don't think any of the PetsMarts sell them, the one here doesn't either. I do get my substrate there though.