Fast True Spiders as Experience for OW Tarantulas?

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DISCLAIMER: Before I even elaborate further, I need to stress that this is just a THEORY I have and would like to hear opinions on from more experienced keepers. I am by all means not telling anybody that if you have experience with the standard everyday spider, you can handle the average Old World tarantula hellbent on destruction. This topic is meant purely to trigger discussion from all levels of expertise, and hopefully provide an educational experience for all.

So anyway. I was going through various threads on here the other day, and of course, I came across thread after thread of how to make the switch from NW to OW. Often, I notice people say to start with Avics to get some understanding of a fast-ish tarantula without the inherent danger of an OW species. But for me, that always brings one thought to mind: my boyfriend's fishing spider (Dolomedes tenebrosus) is consistently faster than my A. avic and C. versicolor have ever been. Maybe my two are just lazy, maybe I've never bothered them to the point where they felt it necessary to go top speed, but I've just never seen them go that fast. Have they bolted on me before? Absolutely! Have they moved faster than I can blink? Definitely. But only in very short bursts, and not to the point where I'm screaming expletives while in full panic mode because it's moving faster than I can even process what's going on. The fishing spider is on a WHOLE DIFFERENT LEVEL. That thing will bolt at even the slightest disturbances, and it will run like there's no tomorrow. It needs a catch cup on hand and it's enclosure needs to be in a bigger container just going to feed it. As far as I'm concerned, that spider has prepared me for an OW more than my Avics ever will (I don't have any OW and I assure you I won't be getting one any time soon). And most fishing spiders I've seen in the wild behave the same way. So to me, that beckons the question: is there something wrong with suggesting some of the faster true spiders (fishing spiders, nursery web spiders, wolf spiders, etc) to people prior to an OW tarantula? Sure, it's not a tarantula, but there's some big and fast true spiders that I honestly think could do a fantastic job at preparing someone for their first Old World. They provide the speed and flightiness, but without the potent venom. Exactly what people want to prepare themselves for the switch. And since there are some fishing and wolf spiders that can certainly obtain impressive sizes, so you aren't necessarily sacrificing size completely. And while I still think it would be a good idea to have experience with fast New World tarantulas as well, I don't think the idea of getting some experience with a a fast true spider is something to just brush off completely. It just seems like something worth putting legitimate thought into.
 

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My Heteropoda lunula is by far my fastest spider. Not sure what experience she'd give though.


 

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Often, I notice people say to start with Avics to get some understanding of a fast-ish tarantula without the inherent danger of an OW species.
I never had a super fast avic.... now Psalmis were a good beginner fastie for me -- mine appeared to teleport.

I did use true spiders for overcoming my arachnophobia (not kept as pets, but just practicing catch-cupping them to put outside). I mostly keep terrestrials these days -- nothing too fast there. More like pet rocks.

Don't see any harm in using true spiders to gain experience. Good luck!!!
 

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My Heteropoda lunula is by far my fastest spider. Not sure what experience she'd give though.


That's an absolutely beautiful lady you got there! And that's a genus I forgot to mention in terms of speed. But that speed is exactly my point. True spiders might not give you experience with a "fast and giant" spider, but there's plenty of true spiders who's speeds are no joke. And when people are asking for help to make that jump into OWs, they're usually looking for something to help them adjust to the speed. If you can gain some experience by working with some species you might see around the house or outside every day, I'd think it would provide valuable lessons for when it came time to upgrade to a T
 

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I never had a super fast avic.... now Psalmis were a good beginner fastie for me -- mine appeared to teleport.

I did use true spiders for overcoming my arachnophobia (not kept as pets, but just practicing catch-cupping them to put outside). I mostly keep terrestrials these days -- nothing too fast there. More like pet rocks.

Don't see any harm in using true spiders to gain experience. Good luck!!!
That's been my experience with Avics too. Sure I've seen them do short bursts of fast, but absolutely nothing compared to the Dolomedes sp I've seen. I've consistently seen them and some other true spiders run faster and for longer than some tarantulas I've seen recommended. And while I don't own any Psalmopoeus species myself so I can't speak on their speed, they're definitely the step up I see recommended after Avics, and they've always seemed fast in videos I've seen. So to me it makes sense to try and work with a more common species of true spider with speeds more similar to something like that genus.
 

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I've seen terrestrials do short spurts of amazing speed when hunting. Just never really thought of avics as particularly fast. I think even a GBB would beat an avic.
Now psalmis, tapis, pokies... those I consider fast.

Perhaps using true spiders is a good way to experience with speed without the hot venom.
 

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They definitely would help one prepare, depending on species I could argue that many trues would be even faster and harder to work with. There's many that are much more dangerous venom wise then most old world's, the Brazilian wandering spider is a good example.
 

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They definitely would help one prepare, depending on species I could argue that many trues would be even faster and harder to work with. There's many that are much more dangerous venom wise then most old world's, the Brazilian wandering spider is a good example.
US poster -- I was assuming normal house spiders, wolfies, grass spiders and such was all OP intended. Just spiders OP might find around house and yard.

Yeah -- please OP -- don't order a Brazilian wandering spider. rofl
 

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US poster -- I was assuming normal house spiders, wolfies, grass spiders and such was all OP intended. Just spiders OP might find around house and yard.

Yeah -- please OP -- don't order a Brazilian wandering spider. rofl
If I had my DWA licence I'd get a Brazilian wanderer right away.
 

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If I had my DWA licence I'd get a Brazilian wanderer right away.
I get the appeal completely. It sounds very cool -- if you ever manage to get one -- PLEASE post!!!

But I know we agree not recommended for a newbie 'first-time' practicing with fast species. :coldfeet:
That said -- I don't even know if Brazilian wanderers are fast. :turtle: [Now I gotta go google....]
 

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I get the appeal completely. It sounds very cool -- if you ever manage to get one -- PLEASE post!!!

But I know we agree not recommended for a newbie 'first-time' practicing with fast species. :coldfeet:
That said -- I don't even know if Brazilian wanderers are fast. :turtle: [Now I gotta go google....]
Aye they're lightning. This lass was extremely fast too. Ctenus red fang.

 

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My B. hamorii is really a Huntsman spp. she just doesn't admit it. The way she can teleport is no joke. A good indication that it is never wise to become too complacent even when working with the "pet rock terrestrials."
 

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US poster -- I was assuming normal house spiders, wolfies, grass spiders and such was all OP intended. Just spiders OP might find around house and yard.

Yeah -- please OP -- don't order a Brazilian wandering spider. rofl
Aww, but it looks so cool! I have 6 completely docile, slow moving NW tarantulas, so I think I'm totally ready for an extremely fast, extremely dangerous Brazilian wandering spider! They're great for handling, right? :rofl:

No, but in all seriousness, I am 100% ONLY referring to harmless everyday species. The intent was to use true spiders as fast as some Old World tarantulas, but WITHOUT the potent venom.

I agree, please nobody go get a Brazilian wandering spider as practice for Old World Ts.
 

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My B. hamorii is really a Huntsman spp. she just doesn't admit it. The way she can teleport is no joke. A good indication that it is never wise to become too complacent even when working with the "pet rock terrestrials."
Don't get me wrong, just because I've never seen any of my Ts go any remarkable speeds, doesn't mean I'm not equipped with a catch cup and prepared for any unexpected bursts. It's always a good idea to treat each T with caution. I've just experienced far more speed from various true spiders. That's what made me think of them as decent spiders to use for experience with faster spiders in the first place
 

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Yeah -- please OP -- don't order a Brazilian wandering spider. rofl
Aww, but it looks so cool! I have 6 completely docile, slow moving NW tarantulas, so I think I'm totally ready for an extremely fast, extremely dangerous Brazilian wandering spider! They're great for handling, right? :rofl:

No, but in all seriousness, I am 100% ONLY referring to harmless everyday species. The intent was to use true spiders as fast as some Old World tarantulas, but WITHOUT the potent venom.

I agree, please nobody go get a Brazilian wandering spider as practice for Old World Ts.
I wasn't suggesting you get a Brazilian wandering spider as a bridge to OWs. I was merely pointing out that many true spiders are far more venomous and could be considered even more difficult to keep then your average OW species.
 

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I wasn't suggesting you get a Brazilian wandering spider as a bridge to OWs. I was merely pointing out that many true spiders are far more venomous and could be considered even more difficult to keep then your average OW species.
Oh, I know. I was just having a little fun. :D Sorry if it may have been at your expense. Lol. There are definitely some extremely dangerous true spiders that are far worse than many OWs, but I personally would just stick with any fast true spider I can find in my backyard or local area. Considering I live in the Northeast US, I suspect I won't have any run-ins with anything too extreme.
 

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Fast true spiders (Sparassids, Ctenids, even Sicariids sometimes) are much faster than OW T's. I'd much rather deal with a Poecilotheria species than a Ctenid, if I was worried about it being too fast.
 

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Ts and true spiders move a little differently. Kind of hard to explain. You can certainly compare their speeds, and true spiders definitely beat many OW Ts in that department. But there's a difference in the type of movement and how they respond to prodding tools. Again, can't really pinpoint the details.

I'm also the type of person who doesn't necessarily believe OW Ts are that incredibly challenging, as long as you do your homework and use your head. Not everyone has the room to end up with 30 different "intermediate" species just to graduate to the almighty OWs:p
 

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Ts and true spiders move a little differently. Kind of hard to explain. You can certainly compare their speeds, and true spiders definitely beat many OW Ts in that department. But there's a difference in the type of movement and how they respond to prodding tools. Again, can't really pinpoint the details.

I'm also the type of person who doesn't necessarily believe OW Ts are that incredibly challenging, as long as you do your homework and use your head. Not everyone has the room to end up with 30 different "intermediate" species just to graduate to the almighty OWs:p
Are Tarantulas easier to manage in terms of speed and movement compared with true spiders because of size differences? Assuming the T is larger than the true spider that is being kept? I have never kept true spiders
 
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