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Desert Brown Recluse

Discussion in 'Other Spiders & Arachnids' started by Irene B. Smithi, Aug 9, 2009.

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    I've been finding these guys in my yard (Desert Brown Recluse). I live in Las Vegas NV.
    They completely scare me. So much so that I don't go out at night to hunt scorpions :wall: :wall: :wall: (I have C. Sculpts in my yard:wall: :wall: )
    I also knew a kid in high school that died after being bite by one of them.
    My question is this, have you ever heard of anyone going into anaphylactic shock after a spider bite??

    thank you
  2. No usually I see the nasty stuff after the bite. There all over around here. Even had a few in the house and around the yard but (knock on wood) not been bit. You can lay the sticky traps but prob catch more than them. They are from what I've heard resistant to most pesticides. I run around bear foot a lot outside even at night. Just be careful where you put your body parts.
  3. my gf carries an epi pen in case of bee sting or accidental ingestion of peanuts but i have never heard of it being used for a spider bite. i did find this info on the recluse though:

    "About 10% of brown recluse bites cause moderate or greater tissue damage and scarring, but the vast majority heal very nicely without medical intervention. There is still not one proven death from brown recluse bite (a person was bitten by a spider caught in the act and properly identified). While there are several highly probable deaths reported in children, these are extremely rare occurrences, about one every decade or so. " (Source R. S. Vetter)
    The recluse spiders' venom is a necrotoxin, which means it destroys tissue cells. A bite may initially cause a sharp sting or may cause no pain at all. Pain may develop within the first several hours, or even up to 6 to 8 hours after the bite, possibly becoming severe. The victim may experience general feelings of discomfort, malaise, or nausea, and sometimes intense itching.In severe cases there is sloughing off of the skin and formation of a blister, then an ulcer in the area of the bite. There may be a reddish to purplish color in a bullseye patter to the skin area around bite, with a subsequent sloughing off of the skin, leaving a raw deep area of exposed tissue. These can take weeks to heal in some cases. Chills or fever and sweating may be experienced.
  4. buthus

    buthus Arachnoprince Old Timer

    Loxosceles are, overall harmless. The ones out there in Vegas are even more harmless. Ive free-hand captured MANY and keep them ...I really dont worry about them. ..you should not either. ;)

    I do not believe in any story about death caused by loxosceles ...ESPECIALLY from the species out here in the western states.
  5. I hope what you said is true. I plan to call the state entomologist regarding these guys... I am beyond scared of them. Like I said, I knew someone who died and they said it was from the recluse..

    You don't think they could cause a sever reaction causing swelling or anything that would be similar to AS??

    Edit: I'll add that I'm so scared of them I had my sons pedi. call in a EpiPenJr for him(in case of AS, not a bite). I mean I'm deathly afraid of them.

  6. Galapoheros

    Galapoheros ArachnoGod Old Timer

    I have them in my house, granted I live alone. They don't bother me, I mean the thought of them here doesn't bother me. I give them to a local pet store when I catch them. There are people out there that like to make people afraid, there is money to be made out of fear. The news is pretty fear based for example, it's what people want to watch, to see what to avoid. They use this and it turns into manipulation.
  7. buthus

    buthus Arachnoprince Old Timer

  8. buthus

    buthus Arachnoprince Old Timer

    Sure, why not? Lotsa things do that. Loxo venom is a cocktail that can cause problems ...probably USUALLY weakening tissue for 2ndary infection to set in. BUT ...its a rare deal... and IMHO a rarer deal (like almost never) to have one bite you.
    Are you a "swapper"? Swappers are swap first and ask questions later kinda persons. They are the ones that on those rare occasions mash a bit of venom into their skin.

    This is a female from Vegas...



    relax ...zen...peace w/o pesticides ...& dont be a "swapper". ;)
  9. Holy cow, the first time I saw this I walked away from the computer for like an hour!!!!!!
    that's just, wow...

    So, they're still venomous, but just seldom bite??

    And for the record, I'm a flicker!!! I get it off of me first them deal with it. But for the boy that died, he could have smashed it on him, he was sitting in a theater watching a movie, so, that could have been the case.
  10. buthus

    buthus Arachnoprince Old Timer

    see.. but thats my point ..."wow" no its not. Its just a little brown spider. ...that has made a few peoples in Vegas (&so many other places) a bit richer ...as they slowly but surely poison a floodplain.

    "Boy dies! Killer spiders found in theater!"
    ...must be news regarding this event ...any links?
  11. I can't find anything on it. He was on another schools debate team, it was before 1995 after 1993. It was a theater on Tropicana and Pecos or Eastern, don't remember. It was a dollar theater. I don't remember his name or the date. It was not in the news. I just can't find anything... I remember we had a debate in his memory.

    Before I found the C. Sculpt scorpions running around my house and these guys in my yard I practiced natural balance. I let nature control the bug population (excluding ants in the house).
    I know all these little critters are coming from my neighbors yard, she's got a bunch of boxes, bed and all kinds of junk in her back yard, NEVER had scorpions or any of these before this year!!
    Hopefully what your saying is correct. If it is, then I won't do the Power Washing that was recommended to me. I really did not like the idea of 40 gallons of chemicals being sprayed in an hour!!! Plus, I have a desert tortoise in my yard, I worked really hard to get her, don't want her to get sick from this stuff...
    I'd like to get this population under control (both Desert Brown and C. Sculpts) then maybe I can stop spraying come this winter. Do you have any safe suggestions?? I'd like to get a chicken, but it goes against my HOA contract... Any ideas???
    Thank you for all your help and advise!!!! It's desperately needed!!!

  12. MorganD

    MorganD Arachnosquire

    They died, and then told you it was from a recluse? :clap: :?
  13. Yep, the dead person told me lol
    No, that's what was told to me after he died by his peers and at the memorial debate.

  14. orchid is it possible to contact the land loard, local possibly health department, or pd if their is a city ordince in relation to the trash. If your in the city limits make a trip to the local city hall and talk to them about the trash issue. I may have to soon for the nasty neighbors. Yes there are reasons behind it. No it's not that I dont like them. I used to help the old man all the time till lazy good for nothing step grandson moved in. :( Anyways check with them see if other neighbors or conserned about this as well. Show cause for concern over the trash and something hopefully will be done. Landloard will get tired of the phone calls and what not and do something about it. If not in City limits drag the county and health district into it.

    If theres little places to hide the numbers should go down or maybe move into her house but it's prob infested too.
  15. I spoke to her about the scorpions!!! "she said that they weren't the dangerous kind and she wasn't worried about them." Plus she could not afford to hire pest control... oh, and that yes all those little bugs were in her house and she wasn't worried!!!!
    If she just cleaned up her mess, which would not be hard to do, then the bugs would go away!!! There was never a scorpion or desert brown issue before!!! My neighbors don't have them, and their just across our street!!
    The Dept. of Agriculture told me there wasn't anything I could do... But maybe if I email them a picture of her backyard they could offer more suggestions. It's not as bad as some yards, just that this eight foot pile of boxes has been sitting out there for years, not to mention all the other junk.

  16. buthus

    buthus Arachnoprince Old Timer

    Darnit, getting into another 1 of these "save the stupid recluse" threads. :? :rolleyes:

    wifes waiting to go to some beer tasting thing. ill find some scotch.
    1st of all wolfdude hit the population overload cure right on the head. When searching for MOST spiders and other stuffs within the cinderblock socialism of vegas...i look under garbage...1st...always... man-made materials kickarse compared to natural materials... little desert things know it too.
    Clean up.
    Promote your local kuk population ...and those little reddish steatodas.
  17. Venom

    Venom Arachnoprince Old Timer

    What Buthus should have said, is that Loxosceles are-- in terms of disposition/ temperament-- very placid and benign, usually.

    In terms of venom/ bite, they are dangerously toxic and should NOT be toyed with no matter how docile their behaviour.

    And you'd be "dead" wrong.


    --From: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/565823_2

    --From: http://www.americanarachnology.org/JoA_free/JoA_v28_n2/arac_28_02_0245.pdf

    --From: http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/772295-overview

    --From: http://www.ajtmh.org/cgi/reprint/71/2/239.pdf (American Journal of Tropical Medicine ).

    Loxosceles most certainly has caused human fatalities, and continues to do so. Death from L. reclusa, is extremely rare. Death from the S. American species, is much less rare.
  18. jsloan

    jsloan Arachnoangel Old Timer

    Did you mean to say "swatter," by any chance?
  19. buthus

    buthus Arachnoprince Old Timer

    come on! those are based on presumption of "recluse" bites.
    Dont believe in what Venom tells ya ...hes just chucked full of scary info! ;) :D :D
  20. buthus

    buthus Arachnoprince Old Timer

    ha ha ya probably. havnt ya ever swapped at something? :D :?
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