Cyriopagopus paganus??

[Newtot]

I bought a T as this but read they are haplopelma?? First and foremost it was absolutely the most nasty tempered T I have seen. Lol gave me a mini heart attack. Second are they obligate borrowers like I read? What do yall use to house them??

 

[testdasi]

I bought a T as this but read they are haplopelma?? First and foremost it was absolutely the most nasty tempered T I have seen. Lol gave me a mini heart attack. Second are they obligate borrowers like I read? What do yall use to house them??

There are some Cyriopagopus that are arboreal but I think the paganus used to be called the Haplopelma sp. Vietnam.

You can set it up like any other Asian fossorial species (e.g just like a Haplopelma). Essentially a tub with a lot of substrate will do.

 

[Newtot]

Ok that's what I thought and it was bigger then I thought so now I'm gonna have to rehouse it again . I have never seen such a defensive T, prodded it once and it was like all hell broke loose lmao

 

[testdasi]

Ok that's what I thought and it was bigger then I thought so now I'm gonna have to rehouse it again . I have never seen such a defensive T, prodded it once and it was like all hell broke loose lmao

That is in the same genus as the Thailand Black (C. minax) so I'm not surprised at all about the temperament.
I have always told people if they think their life is too boring, get a Thailand Black. Guaranteed constant fear every tank maintenance.

 

[Liquifin]

Actually, there are not really any true C. paganus in the hobby as the original description of the species are very vague and are not into depth. Most C. paganus in the hobby are mostly C. vonwirthi or some other look alike species. Sadly, when it comes to this kind of thing, identification is confusing. @AphonopelmaTX can explain it better than I can.

 

[Vanisher]

I bought a T as this but read they are haplopelma?? First and foremost it was absolutely the most nasty tempered T I have seen. Lol gave me a mini heart attack. Second are they obligate borrowers like I read? What do yall use to house them??

Give it a deep moist substrate. For an adult around 10 inches, and preferably insert a corcbarktube or rounded corkbark deep in the substrate. If they have a deep retreat they are retreating into this when you open up the cage and are much more calm and secure

 

[0311usmc]

That is in the same genus as the Thailand Black (C. minax) so I'm not surprised at all about the temperament.
I have always told people if they think their life is too boring, get a Thailand Black. Guaranteed constant fear every tank maintenance.

I have a C.minax and I do cage maintenance no problem. She is actually very easy going to be honest. Plus since I rehoused it out of a i can't see crap though it sterilite container I see her every day now.

 

[AphonopelmaTX]

Actually, there are not really any true C. paganus in the hobby as the original description of the species are very vague and are not into depth. Most C. paganus in the hobby are mostly C. vonwirthi or some other look alike species. Sadly, when it comes to this kind of thing, identification is confusing. @AphonopelmaTX can explain it better than I can.

Thanks for the shout out.

Here is a link to a post that would be relevant here.

Cyriopagopus Sp. Hati hati classification

Why is Cyriopagopus Sp. Hati hati not listed on any Cyriopagopus genus lists? Does it have a different scientific name or am I missing something?

arachnoboards.com

In the paper by Volker von Wirth and Boris Striffler (2005) referred to in the above link, they speculate that Cyriopagopus vonwirthi is a synonym of C. minax. But since no one has published a full description of the type specimen of C. paganus and compared it to all other species of Cyriopagopus, no one really knows what it is exactly. So at the end of the day, if tarantulas sold as C. paganus are C. vonwirthi, then they could ultimately be C. minax.

 

[Newtot]

Here is a pic of it lol

 

[0311usmc]

Here is a pic of it lol

Looks like a C.vonworthi to me. Here's one of my girls for comparison. Enjoy they are awesome.

 

[Asgiliath]

I got this guy labeled C. paganus. I'm not sure what he actually is though.

 

[Teds ts and Inverts]

Here is a pic of it lol

As @Liquifin and @AphonopelmaTX said, C. paganus aren’t in the hobby yet. Most Ts sold as C. paganus are either C. vonwirthi or C. minax. Yours is 100% C. vonwirthi. Care is the same as any other Haplopelma/Cyriopagopus. Give it deep, moist substrate, and it will be happy. Make sure to give it a pre-made burrow as well, as this helps them settle in quicker. Once they’ve settled in, they’re honestly not that bad. I bought two from my LPS last month, and both were EXTREMELY defensive when I was rehousing them out of their deli cups. But once they were in their new enclosures, they calmed down quite a bit. Here’s some pics:









And in case you don’t already know, they are FAST. The larger of the two scared the hell out of me when she bolted out of her enclosure, across the floor and up the wall.... But it worked out in the end. I was able to get her down, and I got a terrific photo for my Instagram

 

[Teds ts and Inverts]

That is in the same genus as the Thailand Black (C. minax) so I'm not surprised at all about the temperament.
I have always told people if they think their life is too boring, get a Thailand Black. Guaranteed constant fear every tank maintenance.

I concur with @0311usmc. I also own a C. minax and she’s quite laid back. I honestly think ExoticsLair is the main reason this species gets such a bad reputation, but the truth is, his was defensive because he wasn’t keeping it right. Since he’s rehoused it into a proper enclosure, he’s hardly had any issues with it.

 

[Teds ts and Inverts]

There are some Cyriopagopus that are arboreal but I think the paganus used to be called the Haplopelma sp. Vietnam.

You can set it up like any other Asian fossorial species (e.g just like a Haplopelma). Essentially a tub with a lot of substrate will do.

The Arboreal Cyriopagopus sp. were moved to the genus Omothymus in the same revision that moved Haplopelma sp. to Cyriopagopus

 

[testdasi]

I concur with @0311usmc. I also own a C. minax and she’s quite laid back. I honestly think ExoticsLair is the main reason this species gets such a bad reputation, but the truth is, his was defensive because he wasn’t keeping it right. Since he’s rehoused it into a proper enclosure, he’s hardly had any issues with it.

I know my statement would attract the rage of the Haplo Defenders and I accept that.
I still stand by my assessment, which has nothing to do with ExoticsLair (it's obvious that the guy over-dramatises everything so how that would create a bad reputation for the specie is beyond me).

 

[Teds ts and Inverts]

I know my statement would attract the rage of the Haplo Defenders and I accept that.
I still stand by my assessment, which has nothing to do with ExoticsLair (it's obvious that the guy over-dramatises everything so how that would create a bad reputation for the specie is beyond me).

No rage from me my friend, just stating my personal experience.

No problems with your assessment either. I’m well aware that although mine’s chill, that’s not the case with all. After all, they’re still Haplos/Cyrios....

One man’s sweetheart can be another man’s nightmare, like women!

 

[AphonopelmaTX]

As @Liquifin and @AphonopelmaTX said, C. paganus aren’t in the hobby yet.

I did not say that.

 

[Asgiliath]

As @Liquifin and @AphonopelmaTX said, C. paganus aren’t in the hobby yet. Most Ts sold as C. paganus are either C. vonwirthi or C. minax. Yours is 100% C. vonwirthi. Care is the same as any other Haplopelma/Cyriopagopus. Give it deep, moist substrate, and it will be happy. Make sure to give it a pre-made burrow as well, as this helps them settle in quicker. Once they’ve settled in, they’re honestly not that bad. I bought two from my LPS last month, and both were EXTREMELY defensive when I was rehousing them out of their deli cups. But once they were in their new enclosures, they calmed down quite a bit. Here’s some pics:

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And in case you don’t already know, they are FAST. The larger of the two scared the hell out of me when she bolted out of her enclosure, across the floor and up the wall.... But it worked out in the end. I was able to get her down, and I got a terrific photo for my Instagram

Looks like my MM. hmm

 

[Teds ts and Inverts]

I did not say that.

Okay, okay, just @Liquifin said it

 

[Newtot]

As @Liquifin and @AphonopelmaTX said, C. paganus aren’t in the hobby yet. Most Ts sold as C. paganus are either C. vonwirthi or C. minax. Yours is 100% C. vonwirthi. Care is the same as any other Haplopelma/Cyriopagopus. Give it deep, moist substrate, and it will be happy. Make sure to give it a pre-made burrow as well, as this helps them settle in quicker. Once they’ve settled in, they’re honestly not that bad. I bought two from my LPS last month, and both were EXTREMELY defensive when I was rehousing them out of their deli cups. But once they were in their new enclosures, they calmed down quite a bit. Here’s some pics:

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And in case you don’t already know, they are FAST. The larger of the two scared the hell out of me when she bolted out of her enclosure, across the floor and up the wall.... But it worked out in the end. I was able to get her down, and I got a terrific photo for my Instagram

Yes I know they are fast. I have never seen such a cranky animal lol. I touched it and it instantly hit the oh shit button and went nuts lmao. I had a mini heart attack. Wish we could tell them we mean no harm haha