i only thought the females had the red hour glass on their abdomens maybe i was wrong?? I aslo think that black widows arent deadly unless your allergic to venom. The most it might do to a healthy human is make them very ill or sick...
We've covered this already, males do indeed have the hourglass, and as with females it can be variable. there is quite a bit of evidence in this thread alone, forget about the link to pictures I posted which show even more photographic evidence.i only thought the females had the red hour glass on their abdomens maybe i was wrong?? I aslo think that black widows arent deadly unless your allergic to venom. The most it might do to a healthy human is make them very ill or sick...
Well, see, in that case then it's better to read with your eyes closed.The sound doesn't matter. It was in writing.
See, here we go trying to apply logic to nature, who is inherently illogical. I didn't realize the "Northerns" (I can't keep straight which species is where...) extended much farther south, thought I was near the edge of their range. I love learning!i don't know. maybe it's just genetic variability because of range. i'm not sure. maybe it has to do with habitat too, who knows. maybe more genetics as most of the specimens from certain areas look like each other. just a guess.
some of the best looking variolus are found in FL.See, here we go trying to apply logic to nature, who is inherently illogical. I didn't realize the "Northerns" (I can't keep straight which species is where...) extended much farther south, thought I was near the edge of their range. I love learning!
I wonder if diet plays a role too. Maybe they're eating some beetles with certain compounds in them that enhance color or something.
Just to add: I have seen specimens of Latrodectus mactans from the same locality and population (I mean, one or two meters from one another) that present variations in the "hourglass" and even in dorsal markings (some of them -2 females- didn't have hourglass at all, but a little red ventral spot). So yes, I also think markings are variable from one individual to another, even in the same locality.I think the hourglass markings are pretty variable from one individual to another in most Latrodectus species. I've seen males here in Maryland that had 2 red dots underneath and sort of a line on the backside of the abdomen. I've seen females with no glass but a big red splotch on the back. I've seen pics of completely black ones.
most hesperus males are not black. most. but they will still have some dorsal markings. most variolus and mactans males are black. they too have dorsal markings. all black males? probably not though. but they are black for sure.I've never seen a male that's black with a red hourglass. Maybe we have a different species here in southern CA. The males here are small, brown with a light colored hourglass. The females are large black, with red hourglass and some even have cool white markings on the other side of the abdomen.